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Could you explain how SELinux could ever sandbox against RCE in sshd? Its purpose is to grant login shells to arbitrary users, after all.
It's possible to spawn a sshd as an unprivileged or partially-capabilitized process. Such as sandbox isn't the default deployment, but it's done often enough and would work as designed to prevent privilege elevation above the sshd process.
XZ backdoor: "It's RCE, not auth bypass, and gated/unreplayable."
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#162Can someone explain succinctly what the backdoor does ? Do we even know yet? The backdoor itself is not a payload, right? Does it need a malicious archive to exploit it? Or does it hook into the sshd process to listen for malicious packets from a remote attacker? The OP makes it sound like an attacker can send a malicious payload in the pre-auth phase of an SSH session - but why does he say that an exploit might neve…
The exploit as shipped is a binary (cleverly hidden in the test data), not source. And it validates the payload vs. a private key that isn't known to the public. Only the attacker can exercise the exploit currently, making it impossible to scan for (well, absent second order effects like performance, which is how it was discovered).
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That's the most interesting part. No, we don't know it yet. The backdoor is so sophisticated that none of us can fully understand it. It is not a “usual” security bug.
Yeah these types of security issues will be used by politicians to force hardware makers to lockdown hardware, embed software in chips. The go fast startups habit of “import the world to make my company products” is a huge security issue IT workers ignore. The only solution politics and big tech will chase is obsolete said job market by pulling more of the stack into locked down hardware, with updates only allowed to…
If anything, I'd expect it to be an even bigger risk, because when (not if) a security issue is found in the hardware, you now have no way to fix it, other than throwing out this server/fridge/toothbrush or whatever is running it.
Re: XZ backdoor: "It's RCE, not auth bypass, and gated/unreplayable."
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's the most interesting part. No, we don't know it yet. The backdoor is so sophisticated that none of us can fully understand it. It is not a “usual” security bug.
Yeah these types of security issues will be used by politicians to force hardware makers to lockdown hardware, embed software in chips. The go fast startups habit of “import the world to make my company products” is a huge security issue IT workers ignore. The only solution politics and big tech will chase is obsolete said job market by pulling more of the stack into locked down hardware, with updates only allowed to…
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I felt really bad for the original maintainer getting dog-piled by people who berated him for not doing his (unpaid) job and basically just bring shame and discredit to himself and the community. Definitely cruel. Though… do we know that the maintainer at that point was the same individual as the one who started the project? Goes deep, man.
Even if it's not his fault the maintainer at this point won't be trusted at all. I feel for him, I think even finding a job at this moment for him would be impossible. Why would you hire someone that could be suspected for that?
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's the most interesting part. No, we don't know it yet. The backdoor is so sophisticated that none of us can fully understand it. It is not a “usual” security bug.
Yeah these types of security issues will be used by politicians to force hardware makers to lockdown hardware, embed software in chips. The go fast startups habit of “import the world to make my company products” is a huge security issue IT workers ignore. The only solution politics and big tech will chase is obsolete said job market by pulling more of the stack into locked down hardware, with updates only allowed to…
If we relied on gadget vendors to maintain such software, I think we can just look at any IoT or router manufacturer to get an idea of just how often and for how long they will update the software. So that idea will probably backfire spectacularly if implemented.
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I felt really bad for the original maintainer getting dog-piled by people who berated him for not doing his (unpaid) job and basically just bring shame and discredit to himself and the community. Definitely cruel. Though… do we know that the maintainer at that point was the same individual as the one who started the project? Goes deep, man.
Its possible the adversary was behind or at least encouraged the dog piling who berated him. Probably a normal basic tactic from a funded evil team playbook. Might be worth reviewing those who berated him to see if they resolve to real people, to see how deep this operation goes.
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#170Where is the law enforcement angle on this? This individual/organization needs to be on the top of every country's most wanted lists.