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Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by marssaxman »

dendrite9 wrote: post #83
burkaman wrote: post #20

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I haven't been to Yellowstone so maybe this doesn't make sense, but is there a reason they couldn't implement the same system as Zion? During most of the year the main road in Zion is closed to private cars, and everyone uses the (very good) shuttle system, or bikes or walks.

I think Yellowstone is too big for that compared to places like Zion and Yosemite which have relatively small valleys where people concentrate. I'm not sure shuttles to see Tioga Pass would make sense in the same way they do in the valley.

There is in fact a high country shuttle operating in the Tuolomne Meadows area. It makes four stops per day at Tioga Pass:

https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/tmbus.htm

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by Rinzler89 »

lukan wrote: post #159
rsdfdfdfdf wrote: post #146

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I don't think there's a much difference in behavior between the species, probably Romania just has more bears living close to humans, which makes them less afraid and conflicts more likely. For the record, my home country (Finland) has about 2000 brown bears, and they have killed only a single person during past 100 years. Most of the time they try their best to avoid humans, and the majority of people living in the…

Romania has more than 2 persons killed each year and many more injured. "Between 2016 and 2021, there were 154 bear attacks on humans, resulting in 158 injuries and 14 deaths" https://www.politico.eu/article/romania-bear-attacks-on-huma...

>Romania has more than 2 persons killed each year and many more injured.

Statistics can be misleading without context. Especially when you see dumbfucks in Romania film themselves pulling over and get out of their cars so they can get close to bears to feed them biscuits and pet them as if they're stray cats/dogs. How can you blame the bears then? At that point such deaths are just natural selection at work.

At least in the past when we were cavemen, some member of the tribe would get mauled by a wild animal and the rest of the tribe would take note not to fuck around with those animals and pass that knowledge to their offspring, but somewhere along the way, we seem to have lost commons sense and personal responsibility and if some idiot engages with a wild animal and gets killed it's now the animal's fault for being "dangerous" and not his fault for being a dumbass who's now been thankfully erased from the gene pool.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by larrik »

miahi wrote: post #97
larrik wrote: post #63

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I live in a regular town in Connecticut and I have bears attack my garbage regularly, so I'm not convinced that's all that weird.

Unfortunately, Romanian bears are brown bears (Ursus arctos), not black (Ursus americanus). They are not easily scared by people and encounters with them can be very dangerous.

Unlike the other commenters, I do agree that IS different. The black bears here are not on the same level as a grizzly or kodiak or other brown bear. The ones here ARE becoming a bit more aggressive for unknown reasons, though.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by kabes »

cozzyd wrote: post #135
Rinzler89 wrote: post #69

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Romanians complain more about their country than people from Africa, Syria or Afganistan. Most pessimistic bunch ever. Not that life in Romania is excelent, but the Romanians who complain a lot only look at Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, etc and forget most of the world has it vastly worse than them.

I think you can stop your sentence after the third word. (source: am Romanian)

I have some Romanian colleagues and they're all quite patriotic and often talk about how great Romania is.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by Ichthypresbyter »

jameshart wrote: post #145
aix1 wrote: post #77

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I'm guessing you mean the bison. (At least that's what Belovezhskaya Pushcha is known for, other than being the largest area of primeval forest in Europe.)

Calling bison ‘buffalo’ is a North American thing, generally. It’s part of a huge pattern of naming confusions between British and American English for ungulates. An elk in Eurasia traditionally means what is a called a moose in North America, but in North America what they call an elk is more similar to a European red deer. America also calls its pronghorn (which is not an antelope) an antelope, and its reindeer car…

Not just English.

The Dutch word for Alces alces (the animal called a moose in North America and an elk in Europe) is "eland".

Dutch settlers in South Africa decided to use that word for the large antelope of the genus Taurotragus, which is still called an eland in English.

Modern Dutch distinguishes the two by calling the antelope an "eland antelope", while Afrikaans calls the moose/elk an "American/European eland".

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by IncreasePosts »

rrr_oh_man wrote: post #23
TulliusCicero wrote: post #21

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Are you...upset at nature preservation?

No, US-American tourists

Do you get a lot in Romania? I would suspect there's about 15 other more popular countries in Europe for Americans to visit... The UK, Ireland, Spain, France, Italy, Portugal, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Czechia, Greece, Turkey, Netherlands, etc are all more popular to go to as an American than Romania.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by pvaldes »

lukan wrote: post #159
rsdfdfdfdf wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there's a much difference in behavior between the species, probably Romania just has more bears living close to humans, which makes them less afraid and conflicts more likely. For the record, my home country (Finland) has about 2000 brown bears, and they have killed only a single person during past 100 years. Most of the time they try their best to avoid humans, and the majority of people living in the…

Romania has more than 2 persons killed each year and many more injured. "Between 2016 and 2021, there were 154 bear attacks on humans, resulting in 158 injuries and 14 deaths" https://www.politico.eu/article/romania-bear-attacks-on-huma...

I bet that a fair quote of them were hunting bears

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by kelnos »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #90
generic92034 wrote: post #87

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> Over billions of years, every single species alive displaced some other species, multiple times over. I can mostly agree with the rest of your points. But how many species are killing off thousands of other species in such a short time frame?

And that's absolutely an argument I will support! and very much do care about. It's just a fundamentally different argument to "Well clearly , arbitrary species A here at some arbitrary time B is the natural and morally right owner of these lands".

> "Well clearly, arbitrary species A here at some arbitrary time B is the natural and morally right owner of these lands".

Which is not what the person you replied to said. I read it as "bears were there first, don't be surprised when you move there and find bears".

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by kelnos »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #186
rrr_oh_man wrote: post #23

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No, US-American tourists

Do you get a lot in Romania? I would suspect there's about 15 other more popular countries in Europe for Americans to visit... The UK, Ireland, Spain, France, Italy, Portugal, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Czechia, Greece, Turkey, Netherlands, etc are all more popular to go to as an American than Romania.

The implication was that a new big national park would attract annoying tourists. (A different poster suggested American, but there are certainly annoying tourists from many places in the world.)

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by kelnos »

rrr_oh_man wrote: post #81
TulliusCicero wrote: post #25

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As a frequent reader of r/europe, Americans have FAR from the worst reputation for tourists within Europe, it's not even close. At least among larger countries, they might actually have a better than average rep.

I don't dislike US-Americans. Very far from it. Most US-Americans that I have encountered (both abroad and stateside) are a lovely bunch, great tippers, and have a distinct happy-go-lucky attitude that is hard to find anywhere else. The crux: When a place gets popular with a certain tourist demographic (through Instagram, Tiktok, whatever) there is an inflection point where the place / experience starts to become com…

> US-Americans

You can just say "Americans". It's a well-recognized demonym, everyone knows what it means, and no one is going to be confused and think you mean someone from one of the many other countries in North or South America.

And it's not some sort of "injustice" that the US "stole" the term American to refer to solely themselves. It's just... not a big deal.

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