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Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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There are ways to do it respectfully, that's what ecotourism is usually about.

As long as you concentrate the tourists mostly in one area so that the majority of the park is left alone by people, I don't see the problem.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Of particular note is that there are a ton of bears in Romania, much more than in other European countries, with something like 60% of all European brown bears. [0] Glad to see that someone is attempting to preserve this. 0. https://www.mossy.earth/rewilding-knowledge/romanias-brown-b...

There are more bears than the land can sustain. Go to any tourist (or non tourist) spot in the mountains and they'll come down and steal from your garbage in town . Look up Brasov. It's a reasonably large touristic town and it regularly gets bears at the periphery.

I live in a regular town in Connecticut and I have bears attack my garbage regularly, so I'm not convinced that's all that weird.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Private money is what kicked off the National Parks system in the US. Glad to see this happening anywhere. I hope it stays in the public trust though.

Really? I thought it was Terry Roosevelt. Do you have a source?

It was Teddy. Via executive orders.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-theodore-roosevel...

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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No, US-American tourists

As a frequent reader of r/europe, Americans have FAR from the worst reputation for tourists within Europe, it's not even close. At least among larger countries, they might actually have a better than average rep.

It would be interesting to see some kind of data on this.

I have a mutual friend that does tours in Europe. This was his and his worker's sentiments as well. Talking with them we thought there may be a lot of self-filtering going on in his situation. He does historical tours and those seem to attract a less rowdy group.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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What do you understand by capitalism? Is it people delivering products and services, asking for whatever price the market is willing to give, such that they can make ends meet? I'm from Romania and I've always been fascinated by privileged westerners complaining of capitalism, when capitalism is the entire reason for why you're privileged. That, plus the hard fact that our communists didn't give a shit about preservi…

I'm from Vienna. The reason I'm privileged is the legacy of Red Vienna and the Austromarxists, who built the social housing and the modern welfare state that makes Vienna the most livable city in the world. Your communists sucked, for sure. But that was a personnel issue more than it was an ideological one.

Most of Austria's growth was attributed to privatizing state corporations since the 1980s. Austria had a higher GDP/capita than the USA in 2008 ($52k vs $48k) but it hasn't grown since while the USA has blown up ($52k vs $77k)

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Visiting Romania :) Living in Romania :(

Romanians complain more about their country than people from Africa, Syria or Afganistan. Most pessimistic bunch ever.

Not that life in Romania is excelent, but the Romanians who complain a lot only look at Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, etc and forget most of the world has it vastly worse than them.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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What are the pros and cons?

Pros (imo): Daily essentials not-yet commodified, can access amazing produce for cheap. Geopolitically stable, crime is mostly petty or white collar. Nature. Cons (imo): no progressive tax rate, effective ~50% tax on income unless you want to do tax evasion (Romanian past-time), very likely to die on the road as public transit is in a state of disrepair, choice of healthcare between expensive and inefficient private…

> expensive and inefficient private sector

Interesting, I found the private sector to be better there than in western Europe. Much quicker, easier and cheaper to get a cehck-up, MRI, CT scan, physiotherapy, dentistry, etc.

The public system though, yeah, it's rough.

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