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That only works, if you wear something like this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Cone_of_Ezelsdorf-Buc...
Aha a dunce cap.
I see, we have a volunteer for the sacrifice ..
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#292Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's what put the final nail in my ability to accept Cartesian dualism. (Edit: The way psychoactives deeply affect the working of a mind, not the prospect of the sun being a butthole, of course.) Psychoactives don't just filter your senses, they change reality (your own subjective reality, of course.)
There's still a lot to figure out but we can phenomenologically and cognitively grasp the structures of consciousness by the use of drugs and modern science, which leaves very little room for the remnants of christian dualism, whether as 'the hard problem', 'panpsychism' or the trans-/consubstantiation of the eucharist. Maybe there is a demon in my head giving me the illusion of reality being perceived as a projectio…
> Maybe there is a demon in my head giving me the illusion of reality
Me too! And yeah and if it weren't for that guy I could be a perfectly adequate automaton instead of dealing with this 'consciousness' nonsense. :P
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#293It would be very odd for large mammals to be the only things in universe exhibiting self awareness. Usually when something exists in nature, it's everywhere - gravity, radiation, nuclear forces. Self awareness is probably just another one of these things. Rock is self aware of being a rock, sun is self aware of being a star, human is self aware of being a human, humanity as a whole is self aware of being humanity. No…
> Rock is self aware of being a rock
But how did you define the rock? Are you saying every set of particles is self aware of being that set of particles?
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Evolution does not explain consciousness, but it does explain that the article we are discussing is rubbish.
Yes, it does. Let's think step-by-step like LLMs. We have self replicators, the most basic form of life. They start to multiply and conquer the environment. This makes resources scarce and competition ensues. In order to compete, they need to adapt, hence they develop consciousness. Its role is to protect the body, and essentially, itself. And they don't have to adapt just to the physical world but also the other age…
This might be an explanation of the development of consciousness, but it does little to explain what consciousness actually is.
> In order to compete, they need to adapt, hence they develop consciousness.
The "hence" here is not a necessary implication. Plants also compete and adapt, but they don't have consciousness. Also, they have not lost the competition with animals. As a whole, I suppose they have better chances of survival than animals.
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#296When you pray to the sun god it won't hear for 8 minutes, and then you need to wait for another 8 minutes for the response. Just basic physics. If it's an emergency the sun can't help you, better luck praying to the moon.
what if praying uses spooky action at a distance and isn't bound by the speed of light?
It still can't communicate information faster than light and the sun god can't know your prayers earlier than 8min after you made them
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#297If the sun is conscious, that could explain why humanity believes in a powerful god that can, eg, send floods. Perhaps the flood was caused by a coronal mass ejection that boiled a section of the ocean, causing extreme rains in a valley region. Let's imagine that the consciousness field of the sun encompasses all of our minds.. so thinking about it might let us talk to it. So prayer could be real too. They can probab…
Dark Souls was right, praise the sun!
And engage in jolly co-operation!
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#298Of course it is. Why would all of those people online be doing perineum sunning if it weren’t?
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you say gaining new information from out of body experiences are a fact. what's your evidence to back it up? I treat those kinds of stories the same way I'd treat an alien abduction or bigfoot story. humans are unreliable narrators. have there been any successful reproducible experiments on it?
No, there were no scientific experiments to prove it. However, in absence of concrete proofs of either theory, both are equally probable to be true. The theory that consciousness arises from brain activity alone is just an assumption based on other research. It has never been properly proven or disproven either.
I'm pretty open minded about this stuff, but I recall reading Robert Monroe (author of several books) tried to prove to himself his OBEs were real by having his wife place an object in a box downstairs without his knowledge and trying to find out what it was.
IIRC he said he invariably got sidetracked between leaving his body and going downstairs, or would be attacked by entities of some kind. He suggested perhaps some kind of subconscious resistance to the experiment.
He listed several times where he claimed to have gained knowledge without trying to while OBE but I wasn't entirely convinced by any of them, so who knows.
The fact he claims to have had hundreds of OBEs and couldn't conclusively prove he could gain knowledge makes me sceptical that he wasn't just in a replica of reality generated by his mind. Anyway, they sound fun/scary/ real to the experiencer.
Re: Is the Sun Conscious? (2021) [pdf]
#300When you pray to the sun god it won't hear for 8 minutes, and then you need to wait for another 8 minutes for the response. Just basic physics. If it's an emergency the sun can't help you, better luck praying to the moon.
He won’t see for 8 minutes, he will never hear because the sound doesn’t travel through vacuum. Even if it did, it would take nearly 14 years:
> The speed of sound is 767 miles per hour, and that the distance to the Sun is 92,960,000 miles away. Divide 121,199.478 by 24 to get the number in days to the Sun. The answer is 5,049.98 Days to the Sun.