I think the author took Pohl's Starchild ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starchild_Trilogy ) books too seriously.
Or The Fifth Element Movie?
Is the Sun Conscious? (2021) [pdf]
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Re: Is the Sun Conscious? (2021) [pdf]
#242Someone ought to trick analytic philosophers into taking some of the more popular psychoactive substances, so they finally discover how tightly coupled consciousness is to the matter in the nervous system and stop their embarrassing search for Holy Spirit. Also, the sun is clearly an anus: "The simplest image of organic life united with rotation is the tide. From the movement of the sea, uniform coitus of the earth w…
> so they finally discover how tightly coupled consciousness is to the matter in the nervous system and stop their embarrassing search for Holy Spirit How would that explain out-of-body/near-death experiences? They happen to people, it's a fact. Sometimes people gain new information during them that they couldn't have possibly hallucinated by themselves, like being able to repeat a conversation that took place in ano…
you say gaining new information from out of body experiences are a fact. what's your evidence to back it up?
I treat those kinds of stories the same way I'd treat an alien abduction or bigfoot story. humans are unreliable narrators. have there been any successful reproducible experiments on it?
Re: Is the Sun Conscious? (2021) [pdf]
#243I'm an extremely strong believer that the sun has consciousness. I think there exists quantum processes that causes consciousness and that suns, gravitons, etc. all have it. I likely won't be alive to ever find out, but if someone does discover it, I hope a historian finds this thread :)
I am a strong believer that consciousness has a purpose. It is related to self-replication because consciousness necessitates evolution to come about, and evolution necessitates consciousness to keep the organism alive. They need each other. Evolution is the outer process, consciousness the inner process. Celestial bodies lack the reason & means. Not to mention the slowness of light at cosmic distance. Any consciousn…
I am a strong believer that humans only experience a limited amount of the full experience that is available with consciousness. We have no idea what perceived sensations a start might have. Maybe stars operate on a quantum level that we don't understand yet.
Re: Is the Sun Conscious? (2021) [pdf]
#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
actually the paper turns away from IIT - the latter part of section 5 decides that “the electrical and magnetic fields within and around the sun seem a more promising starting point for a discussion of solar consciousness than IIT in its present forms”
Thank You. I didn't get that far. Since they discuss some other methods, i'll go back. Do you think they touch on something potentially not 'woo', as others say.
No, the whole thing is very woo. It's fun though.
If you want something similar but non-woo read about bacterial chemotaxis.
Re: Is the Sun Conscious? (2021) [pdf]
#245Remember talking to some "commune hippies" in the '80's, and part of their meta-physics was that the souls of the dead are reincarnated as sunshine.
Always thought it was interesting, if anything.
Re: Is the Sun Conscious? (2021) [pdf]
#246Earlier quoted context omitted.
> so they finally discover how tightly coupled consciousness is to the matter in the nervous system and stop their embarrassing search for Holy Spirit How would that explain out-of-body/near-death experiences? They happen to people, it's a fact. Sometimes people gain new information during them that they couldn't have possibly hallucinated by themselves, like being able to repeat a conversation that took place in ano…
you say gaining new information from out of body experiences are a fact. what's your evidence to back it up? I treat those kinds of stories the same way I'd treat an alien abduction or bigfoot story. humans are unreliable narrators. have there been any successful reproducible experiments on it?
No, there were no scientific experiments to prove it. However, in absence of concrete proofs of either theory, both are equally probable to be true. The theory that consciousness arises from brain activity alone is just an assumption based on other research. It has never been properly proven or disproven either.
Re: Is the Sun Conscious? (2021) [pdf]
#247Earlier quoted context omitted.
Aware is germanic, perceive is latin, it's the same concept. Maybe meditation doesn't have the results you think it has? As for what drug experiences can tell us, I didn't claim they say anything about "the whole universe". They can however tell us other things. For one, LSD causes parts of the brain that usually work in a synchronised manner, like a system of cooperating parts, to loosen from each other, which is pr…
Your pedantic preaching about language is irrelevant to anything I said, nothing of which was invented by me it’s simply push back against uninformed things you said about others, thus I see no reason to engage with you any further.
I quipped about etymology as an invite for you to make it clearer what difference you were refering to.
If you find that so insensitive that you can't continue the conversation that's fine with me.
Re: Is the Sun Conscious? (2021) [pdf]
#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
Christianity was founded as a monastic, ascetic, apocalyptic sect in antique judaism, and got the shape recognisable to most of us through roman imperial politics. If you think those jews or romans used psychedelics I'd like to know why. There might be traces of cannabis in the hebrew Bible but it's not a common theme and pretty much every word this idea is usually based on could be a reference to something else. The…
There is a strong case to be made that Jesus was basically a rip of Dionysus; ritual cannibal sacrifice (eat my body and drink my blood), son of zeus (son of god), born to a virgin when visited by an eagle (born to virgin mary when visited by a dove), resurrection in the spring (Easter), both turned water into wine, and Dionysus wore a crown of thorns. Dionysian festivals, although not proven (it's hard to find sampl…
Sounds like pretty shallow Holy Blood, Holy Grail stuff to me.
It is fairly firmly established that roman mystery religion shaped some of early christianity, in particular the Mithras mysteries.
Re: Is the Sun Conscious? (2021) [pdf]
#249When you pray to the sun god it won't hear for 8 minutes, and then you need to wait for another 8 minutes for the response. Just basic physics. If it's an emergency the sun can't help you, better luck praying to the moon.
High Frequency Theology
sun-moon carry trade is an old theorbitrageur trick, nothing new here.
Re: Is the Sun Conscious? (2021) [pdf]
#250Someone ought to trick analytic philosophers into taking some of the more popular psychoactive substances, so they finally discover how tightly coupled consciousness is to the matter in the nervous system and stop their embarrassing search for Holy Spirit. Also, the sun is clearly an anus: "The simplest image of organic life united with rotation is the tide. From the movement of the sea, uniform coitus of the earth w…
> so they finally discover how tightly coupled consciousness is to the matter in the nervous system and stop their embarrassing search for Holy Spirit How would that explain out-of-body/near-death experiences? They happen to people, it's a fact. Sometimes people gain new information during them that they couldn't have possibly hallucinated by themselves, like being able to repeat a conversation that took place in ano…
I'm not aware of any firmly documented such cases of OOBE gained knowledge. Can you point me to five such cases?
OOBE is a common side effect of dissociation. You can cause it through NMDA-antagonism, meditative practices and so on. If it was anything but a projection of perspective within the experiential system in the brain intelligence services and military would use it, and the lack of people in vegetative states around embassies tells us they don't.