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Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by Shatnerz »

aix1 wrote: post #77
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #61

The more the better, but there's already a "European Yellowstone" in the form of Belovezhskaya Pushcha National Park in Belarus, of similar size, home to many of the remaining European buffalo.

I'm guessing you mean the bison. (At least that's what Belovezhskaya Pushcha is known for, other than being the largest area of primeval forest in Europe.)

Buffalo and Bison are often interchangeable in American English.

I know in Polish, "żubr", which is the European Bison, is often translated as buffalo and the American Bison is known as "bizon" which is understandably translated as bison. I would not be surprised if Belarusian was similar.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

bombcar wrote: post #93
1970-01-01 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was Teddy. Via executive orders. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-theodore-roosevel...

He came way later - it began much earlier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_National_Park_S... You have to look at the history of each individual park, some started out as government land and remained such, others were private resort islands, etc.

I suppose it comes down to your definition of kicked off. There were only a few lands protected as national parks before Teddy arrived and protected more land than any other individual has ever done.

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Post by auselen »

Fricken wrote: post #56

>Several years ago, 80 bison were reintroduced two centuries after their disappearance from these territories... I had no idea there were bison in Europe. The provided hyperlink leads to an article about bison being reintroduced in Mexico. Here is an appropriate article about bison being rewilded in the Southern Carpathians: https://rewildingeurope.com/blog/free-roaming-bison-populati... .

I’ve read about them after getting introduced to: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Żubrówka

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by hnbad »

bombcar wrote: post #82
samatman wrote: post #14

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The Zone of Death isn't quite a classic "HN tries to compile the law" topic, lawyers have tried to have the boundaries rewritten after all. But what would happen if/when a felony is committed in the Zone of Death is fairly clear. A local judge would rule that "State and district" needs to be interpreted in the intention of the legislature, and can only be "State or district" when those differ, since "neither State no…

The only case that gets close to it was resolved (in part) by the perpetrator taking a plea deal that included the guarantee that they would NOT petition for redress.

Given how the US legal system works in practice, a plea deal is also the most likely outcome for any other felony. Playing for time isn't really a good idea when that translates to extremely long jail times while waiting for a trial you're not going to win anyway.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by junaru »

Call me pessimist but (emphasis mine):

> We can only buy from private property, but not from municipalities or landowners’ associations, so our strategy is to acquire what we can and donate it to the state *only if it creates a national park*

So foreign "donors" are buying land that they gonna keep if local government doesn't do what they want.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by keybored »

rrr_oh_man wrote: post #23
TulliusCicero wrote: post #21

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Are you...upset at nature preservation?

No, US-American tourists

If the US has such awesome national parks (and I believe it) then they don’t have to fly across an ocean to get that Yellowstone experience.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by digging »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #90
generic92034 wrote: post #87

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> Over billions of years, every single species alive displaced some other species, multiple times over. I can mostly agree with the rest of your points. But how many species are killing off thousands of other species in such a short time frame?

And that's absolutely an argument I will support! and very much do care about. It's just a fundamentally different argument to "Well clearly , arbitrary species A here at some arbitrary time B is the natural and morally right owner of these lands".

Were bears completely extinct in the area and reintroduced from elsewhere? If not, there's no arbitrary line being drawn whatsoever. It's currently bear habitat.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by ReleaseCandidat »

keiferski wrote: post #117
ReleaseCandidat wrote: post #114

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> much more than in other European countries, with something like 60% of all European brown bears. There are about 5000 (even it it were 10,000) in Romania, which is way less than 50% of the european population. https://www.euronatur.org/en/what-we-do/bear-wolf-lynx/bears...

I don't see any numbers in the link you provided. Edit: I looked again and I think you're referring to the image. It looks like the link I referenced was excluding Russia. Romania does seem to have 60% of bears everywhere in Europe west of Russia and parts of Finland and Estonia.

Romania has about 5000, Slovakia and Ukraine about 2000 about 4000 from Ex-Yugoslavia to Greece and 2500 in Scandinavia. So, still way less than 50%.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by Rinzler89 »

budududuroiu wrote: post #111
bad_user wrote: post #73

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Not having a progressive tax is a feature, not a bug. If a progressive tax would be introduced, I'd either start avoid taxes in any way possible, or I'd seriously think about emigration. Because yes, the rich always finds ways to evade taxes, while the middle class gets screwed. And I'm also not interested in subsidizing the poor. The total taxes you pay on a regular work contract are around 41.5%, and much of that g…

Pensions in Romania are a joke, ask your relatives that recently retired. Can I remind you that out of the immediate survivors of the Colectiv fire, 70% of them contracted hospital-acquired infections? (Which were conveniently overlooked by the coroner) Private healthcare is a hoax that most employers can and will redirect their contribution to, further increasing the hole in which the public sector is getting into.…

>Can I remind you that out of the immediate survivors of the Colectiv fire, 70% of them contracted hospital-acquired infections

That is indeed terrible, but as another who emigrated west I realized, malpraxis is rampant here as well, it just doesn't make it into the news as much. Incompetent doctors and medical whoopsies can kill me here as well even if the system is overall better.

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Post by rrr_oh_man »

keybored wrote: post #126
rrr_oh_man wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, US-American tourists

If the US has such awesome national parks (and I believe it) then they don’t have to fly across an ocean to get that Yellowstone experience.

The people are extremely welcome, yet the market forces that come with mass tourism are often very destructive.
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