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Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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What are the pros and cons?

Pros (imo): Daily essentials not-yet commodified, can access amazing produce for cheap. Geopolitically stable, crime is mostly petty or white collar. Nature. Cons (imo): no progressive tax rate, effective ~50% tax on income unless you want to do tax evasion (Romanian past-time), very likely to die on the road as public transit is in a state of disrepair, choice of healthcare between expensive and inefficient private…

Interesting. I guess the impression that a lot of people have of Romania is that it is riddled with violent crime.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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There are more bears than the land can sustain. Go to any tourist (or non tourist) spot in the mountains and they'll come down and steal from your garbage in town . Look up Brasov. It's a reasonably large touristic town and it regularly gets bears at the periphery.

> they'll come down and steal from your garbage in town You mean their home? Bears were there before humans settled and built towns. IMHO can't really complain about bears wehen you're the on encroaching on their turf, not the other way around.

I never understand these arguments.

You mean mastodon home,surely? They were there before bears! How about pterodactyl?

How far do we go / where do we arbitrarily draw the line?

I am all for ecology, preservation, being in sync with nature etc, but I find fundamentally flawed and dishonest arguments like these don't contribute to the cause. Over billions of years, every single species alive displaced some other species, multiple times over.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the pros and cons?

Pros (imo): Daily essentials not-yet commodified, can access amazing produce for cheap. Geopolitically stable, crime is mostly petty or white collar. Nature. Cons (imo): no progressive tax rate, effective ~50% tax on income unless you want to do tax evasion (Romanian past-time), very likely to die on the road as public transit is in a state of disrepair, choice of healthcare between expensive and inefficient private…

Not having a progressive tax is a feature, not a bug. If a progressive tax would be introduced, I'd either start avoid taxes in any way possible, or I'd seriously think about emigration. Because yes, the rich always finds ways to evade taxes, while the middle class gets screwed. And I'm also not interested in subsidizing the poor.

The total taxes you pay on a regular work contract are around 41.5%, and much of that goes to pensions. Many people in the gig economy, that haven't contributed, will wake up one day to a harsh reality.

The public healthcare system mostly works, even if underfunded and with problems. In Bucharest we benefited from treatments and expertise that would be very expensive out of pocket or difficult to find. Private healthcare is mostly a hoax, much like private education (in this country), stop paying for it.

Bribery is much less common. Still happens, but you can also get in trouble.

We barely have any homeless people, all the shopping malls are full, and home ownership is very high. Official stats can be misleading.

Our politicians are incompetents, that's true, but we are in NATO, we are in EU, we are a regional power, and we avoided far-right strongmen or communists thus far.

Many Romanians have emigrated, lifting the economy actually, and also many came back. Since the shock of the 90s, the country's economy became really fluid.

Unfortunately, Romanians are some of the most pessimist people.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Private money is what kicked off the National Parks system in the US. Glad to see this happening anywhere. I hope it stays in the public trust though.

Really? I thought it was Terry Roosevelt. Do you have a source?

I don't know the history, but if it's anything like the public libraries here (and several other institutions), a lot of it would have been bankrolled by robber barons trying to secure their legacy and avoid taxation. In other words, guilting rich people and threatening nationalization of their wealth works.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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> European Yellowstone That makes it sound like national parks were invented in the USA and there are no national parks in Europe ... So when a new store opens outside of the US it's called European Wallmart?

National parks were invented by the USA and Yellowstone was the first one in 1872. It is also very large.

Yellowstone is massive, but only 4% the size of Romania.

https://mapfight.xyz/map/ro/#yellowstone

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Visiting Romania :) Living in Romania :(

It's noticeably improving, though! Over the last 10 years or so, both their GDP per capita and household income per capita have roughly doubled. Now when I visit medium-sized cities there I am amazed to find latte-slinging coffee shops and craft beer-pouring gastropubs that would look right at home in Brooklyn.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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The more the better, but there's already a "European Yellowstone" in the form of Belovezhskaya Pushcha National Park in Belarus, of similar size, home to many of the remaining European buffalo.

I'm guessing you mean the bison. (At least that's what Belovezhskaya Pushcha is known for, other than being the largest area of primeval forest in Europe.)

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Of particular note is that there are a ton of bears in Romania, much more than in other European countries, with something like 60% of all European brown bears. [0] Glad to see that someone is attempting to preserve this. 0. https://www.mossy.earth/rewilding-knowledge/romanias-brown-b...

There are more bears than the land can sustain. Go to any tourist (or non tourist) spot in the mountains and they'll come down and steal from your garbage in town . Look up Brasov. It's a reasonably large touristic town and it regularly gets bears at the periphery.

Speaking of bears, a bunch of libertarians took over Grafton NH, and the bears won.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-...

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Maybe they can create one without all the traffic.

I haven't been to Yellowstone so maybe this doesn't make sense, but is there a reason they couldn't implement the same system as Zion? During most of the year the main road in Zion is closed to private cars, and everyone uses the (very good) shuttle system, or bikes or walks.

I live near Yellowstone in Wyoming. The park is a lot more massive than Zion, usually involving multi-hour drives to get around, and there are multiple roads in the park, all of which don't necessarily see the same levels of traffic.

There also tend to not be as many people driving around slowly gawking on the roads themselves (unlike Zion or Yosemite, say), since most of the park doesn't have crazy vista views, it's mainly a high altitude, flat-ish volcanic plateau in the middle. The specific sites along the roads will have the traffic mostly.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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The Zone of Death isn't quite a classic "HN tries to compile the law" topic, lawyers have tried to have the boundaries rewritten after all. But what would happen if/when a felony is committed in the Zone of Death is fairly clear. A local judge would rule that "State and district" needs to be interpreted in the intention of the legislature, and can only be "State or district" when those differ, since "neither State no…

This reminds of “Free Fire” by C.J. Box.

One of the novels written to try to get Congress to fix the technical issue.
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