I'm an extremely strong believer that the sun has consciousness. I think there exists quantum processes that causes consciousness and that suns, gravitons, etc. all have it. I likely won't be alive to ever find out, but if someone does discover it, I hope a historian finds this thread :)
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I’d say most of them have and these substances prove nothing close to what you’re suggesting. Yes they hint that the whole universe, at least our ideas of it, being an illusion made up by your brain. This isn’t consciousness though, your awareness remains the same it is simply your perception that is changed by mind altering drugs and none of these philosophers would argue your perception isn’t a product of the body.…
Aware is germanic, perceive is latin, it's the same concept. Maybe meditation doesn't have the results you think it has? As for what drug experiences can tell us, I didn't claim they say anything about "the whole universe". They can however tell us other things. For one, LSD causes parts of the brain that usually work in a synchronised manner, like a system of cooperating parts, to loosen from each other, which is pr…
Your pedantic preaching about language is irrelevant to anything I said, nothing of which was invented by me it’s simply push back against uninformed things you said about others, thus I see no reason to engage with you any further.
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#233tl;dr: “Obviously not”
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You are making an uneducated assumption here. This is not a thought lost on philosophy or theology, for instance in Dharmic religions it is believed you are attached to a brain and your perception and thoughts arise from the brain: your eternal self is the awareness. Your thoughts, your “post nut clarity,” does not require that awareness (or consciousness) to exist and if anything the two are at odds with one another…
The "Dharmic religions" don't agree on "eternal self", but they do generally agree that the immediate impression that feeling in the hand is consciousness _in the hand_ rather than a brittle illusion produced in a particular part of the central nervous system that can project a perception of the body to conscious areas of the brain. This can easily be undermined, e.g. with strong psychedelic disassociatives such as s…
You are correct about the eternal self but it’s easier to make my point without getting into the weeds.
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#235It would be very odd for large mammals to be the only things in universe exhibiting self awareness. Usually when something exists in nature, it's everywhere - gravity, radiation, nuclear forces. Self awareness is probably just another one of these things. Rock is self aware of being a rock, sun is self aware of being a star, human is self aware of being a human, humanity as a whole is self aware of being humanity.
Now, obviously experiences of being a star are totally different from experiences of being a human and one can not will them/itself into being the other. Things are happening to each according to laws of physics and self awareness is just along for the ride.
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#236I'm an extremely strong believer that the sun has consciousness. I think there exists quantum processes that causes consciousness and that suns, gravitons, etc. all have it. I likely won't be alive to ever find out, but if someone does discover it, I hope a historian finds this thread :)
I am a strong believer that consciousness has a purpose. It is related to self-replication because consciousness necessitates evolution to come about, and evolution necessitates consciousness to keep the organism alive. They need each other. Evolution is the outer process, consciousness the inner process.
Celestial bodies lack the reason & means. Not to mention the slowness of light at cosmic distance. Any consciousness would need to be within a small light cone to operate at normal speeds.
https://mindmachina.wixsite.com/ai-blog/post/the-emergence-o...
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#237People tend to have strong opinions about this sort of thing, but the fact of the matter is there’s no way (currently) to know. (But also, it’s effectively metaphysics as it makes no testable/falsifiable predictions.) We could in principle discover a physical process that causes subjective experience, and a detector for same (say, it’s a particular string vibration in one of the coiled up dimensions). But it’s also p…
We have neurons and other cells doing their jobs and working with each other and the emergent system from this are humans, a different structure creates a different animal. We have circuits and 1s and 0s (which is as dumb as simolifying a human to atoms) and programs and structuring those in a certain way creates an emergent system of a computer with a language model installed on it. Would it be far fetched to say that a system of humans working with one another and following rules could form an emergent system that is conscient? I don't think so, and I consider earth as a more advanced system of the sort, animals, nature, humans, internet, air, water etc. are all forming a conscient being, us being aware of it is as unlikely as a neuron being awarz of us... And if such a system could exist, then why wouldn't the Sun which is a bigger entity than earth (not that bigger is better here, because a 1cubic meter rock is bigger than a man but not visibly more conscious) be itself conscious, I doubt that because it seemingly lacks sub entities (say organs, and cells, etc.) but wtf do I know? if the earth is conscious then the solar system can only be more conscious no?
I just wrote this to write it, I agree with what you said, and I believe it'll always be out of reach unless we study it on a smaller scale and just assume it works the same way on the bigger scale... mathematically I find it difficult to describe complex numbers in the real numbers set (without adding dimensions of course), since the real numbers set is a subset of the complex numbers set. I use the same argument for God, scientifically we can't know, but hey if believing in God makes your life easier then you can't say he doesn't exist, you really need complew numbers to make certain parts of physics easier to model, we wouldn't have impedance (RLC circuits, excuse my mistakes it's been ages since my physics classes, and it was in french) without complex numbers, sure we could use 2 dimensions but it'd make it hardzr to understand, so God for me is like the imaginary number i (i*i = -1) or even pi so that sure who knows but using the concept can make understanding certain patterns of nature a lot easier than if you did it otherwise... anyways I'm a lot more forgiving to metaphysics now than I was when I was younger, maybe it's because we are sometimes biologically wired to view patterns where there are none, or maybe because we always seem to need an axiom since we live in a reality where each thing has a container and we just assume we need a container for our reality, etc. so now we stop at the big bang, and if we figure that out we'll explain until we can't, and when we explain everything we will still have the question of what's outside everything we can explain, etc. life is just too short lol
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#238So is the Cow and Monkey, thats why they are worshipped as Gods in certain parts of the world.
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#239When you pray to the sun god it won't hear for 8 minutes, and then you need to wait for another 8 minutes for the response. Just basic physics. If it's an emergency the sun can't help you, better luck praying to the moon.
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#240Someone ought to trick analytic philosophers into taking some of the more popular psychoactive substances, so they finally discover how tightly coupled consciousness is to the matter in the nervous system and stop their embarrassing search for Holy Spirit. Also, the sun is clearly an anus: "The simplest image of organic life united with rotation is the tide. From the movement of the sea, uniform coitus of the earth w…
> so they finally discover how tightly coupled consciousness is to the matter in the nervous system and stop their embarrassing search for Holy Spirit How would that explain out-of-body/near-death experiences? They happen to people, it's a fact. Sometimes people gain new information during them that they couldn't have possibly hallucinated by themselves, like being able to repeat a conversation that took place in ano…
> Then there's also the phenomenon of people suddenly waking up, or having dreams about it, when someone close gets into an accident while they sleep. This can not be explained by modern science at all. It happens too often, to too many people, to be a simple coincidence.
I'm curious how you would estimate the number of people it should happen to by simple coincidence. Is enough data about the rates of the major expected causes (false memory formation after the fact, selective memory of dreams conditioned by conditions of waking) to provide a reasonable baseline? I honestly have no intuition if I would expect this number to be 0% or 50%, since I have no self-measurements (by definition) of how often I have dreams that I forget, and what portion of those dreams can be interpreted to match an external event if remembered.