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Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by wormius »

oooyay wrote: post #582
jorvi wrote: post #460

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The problem is that once such a thing fails, it gives massive ammunition to future naysayers that get to conveniently ignore all the implementation failures because campaigning for/against will ultimately boil down to bullet points.

I'm an Oregon resident. I disagree to an extent. Oregons drug decriminalization failed because of a few reasons that are plain to see: - The people who wrote the measure did not prescribe how it should be done, just what it should achieve. - The measure demanded changes be immediate, which didn't jive with a very slow running, heavy bureaucracy like Oregons government. More importantly, time was not given for the soc…

hopefully next time we at least ban public drug use.

"The law in its majestic equality forbids the rich as well as the poor from sleeping under bridges" - Anatole France

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by scarface_74 »

oliwarner wrote: post #764
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When you buy alcohol, it’s very easy to see whether they are taking and storing your picture. You can also buy alcohol with cash leaving no digital footprint. And is AI the new blockchain that will magically solve every problem? And most children over 14 don’t have government IDs either. If you don’t want your kids to be on Facebook, use parental controls. It’s the parents responsibility. I live in Florida for contex…

Parental choice exists where parents can make informed choices. You don't know how much their child is being affected by platforms that have been designed to be addictive, that go out of their way to spur conflict and argument (sorry, "engagement"), and that have so few parental controls that it's near impossible for a parent to actually vet what's going on, who's interacting with them. You're not even allowed to giv…

Then educate the parents and tell them about parental controls.

But would you be okay if I used that same argument about why open computing platforms are bad because adults don’t know enough about computers to avoid malware and ransomware?

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Post by bumby »

iteygib wrote: post #631
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I only see these as approximate precedents in the rough sense that they involve limiting minors’ access to speech. Otherwise, factually, I can see several distinguishing features: - social media being optimized for addiction - social media potentially compromising minors’ physical safety - social media use having documented adverse mental health outcomes for minors - the fact that social media use requires an ongoing…

Those aren't factual though, those are one just one side of an opinionated argument. Social media can also be argued to have positive values. IE, I would argue that most kids use social media not because of being addicted, but because they find and form new types of communities: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK594763/#:~:text=Social... Given it's Florida and the political leanings of it's governor, I would argu…

According to Jonathan Haidt's research, most teens would prefer to not be on social media because they recognize the toxicity of it but feel compelled to be on it because they have FOMO.

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Post by freejazz »

philwelch wrote: post #760
freejazz wrote: post #746

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Well such speech restrictions have been found unconstitutional by the supreme court in prior cases, so I'm not so sure what your "characterization" of the law and its alleged constitutionality is based upon. Further, what point is it that state legislatures have broader powers than Congress? They still have no power to exceed the boundaries of the first amendment, so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make the…

I don’t think this law violates the First Amendment, and it wasn’t particularly clear that was your objection in the first place. I’m also not sure why you put the word “characterization” in quotes since I didn’t use it.

Because I don't think its much of a characterization. You don't? Well that's great. It never occurred to you that I might think so? Have you read any actual commentary on this law? Its by far its biggest issue

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Post by Shocka1 »

willcipriano wrote: post #719
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Eh, as a “youth” (23) who wasn’t so long ago in high school, people still hang out plenty. They just document it more (for better or for worse. I suspect worse.)

I'm 35 and I'm telling you that you didn't/don't do it as much as we did. From about 13 on we were trusted to just leave the house and go wherever we wanted on our bikes, little to no questions asked. City, rural, suburbs this was a pretty universal experience. One kid in the group might of had a early cell phone and that gave our parents more than enough peace of mind, but no location tracking and it would lose serv…

Late 30s here and can confirm. Went until I was 16 with zero technology besides Yahoo chat, MSN Messenger and Newgrounds.com. Then got a flip phone which I used mainly for my pizza delivery job. Other than that, hung out with friends and did the dumbest stuff imaginable, not a phone in sight.

I saw a doc not long ago where a guy was in prison for 7 or 8 years - while cell phones and social media was in the middle of really amping up. He said the biggest surprise for him when he got out was seeing 3 out of 4 people looking at their phones everywhere he went.

That being said, I'll leave one of my favorite short movies of the sad state that we've come to as a society: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QugooaNRnsk

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by philwelch »

freejazz wrote: post #774
philwelch wrote: post #760

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I don’t think this law violates the First Amendment, and it wasn’t particularly clear that was your objection in the first place. I’m also not sure why you put the word “characterization” in quotes since I didn’t use it.

Because I don't think its much of a characterization. You don't? Well that's great. It never occurred to you that I might think so? Have you read any actual commentary on this law? Its by far its biggest issue

This was your comment that I was replying to, with emphasis added:

> I think the argument is that states are not laboratories for behaviors that violate the constitutional rights of others, or in the case of this law, go beyond the legislative branch's constitutional powers, so that just suggesting there isn't an experiment is in itself not sufficient to defend this law.

This comment implies that your objection to the law was not that it infringed upon constitutional rights, but rather that it exceeded the powers of Florida legislature. This was the point I was replying to. If that’s not the point you intended to make, then never mind.

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Post by davidguetta »

EasyMark wrote: post #672
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"Whether your kid is online on social media or not is the responsibility of parents" Really ? I mean the entire point of the nanny state argument is to not act as a nanny toward ADULT citizen. Minor should still be protected, especially under 16

If you can't keep your 14 year old off social media then your 14 year old is out of control, I had no such problem with my children. Their devices were locked down and they knew repercussions and grounding would be in order if they didn't listen. Once they hit 16 I didn't mind as much, and they had some SM freedom. They're both well adjusted adults now and in college, and I'm very proud of them. We're still close as…

Are you disagreeing with me ? I think you're 100% right

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Post by josephg »

bxff wrote: post #751
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Hard agree. I think making significant progress on this problem would be time consuming - but ultimately a significant win for society.

Hi Seph, any updates on the paper on Replayable Event Graph, looking forward to reading that paper.

Its happening. My coauthor wanted to make some updates before sending it out to people. I'll send you a draft soon, I promise! Its just coming together slower than I'd like. Always slower :S

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Post by iteygib »

ametrau wrote: post #753
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It depends on what the change is. I wouldn't approve states trialing slavery. I don't agree with the social media law as well. It's a cultural tool, so let parents dictate what they want their kids to see or use. If anything, they could push laws to give parents better tools/information to help them manager their kid's screen time, not just an outright ban.

> It's a cultural tool, so let parents dictate what they want their kids to see or us. Monumentally naïve. Zero understanding of the way things work in reality.

What is naive about the point? And what is your argument? You don't make one to read.

To me, this is the same thing we all lived through in the 90s in America when particular political parties were blaming video games for violence:

https://ncac.org/resource/a-timeline-of-video-game-controver...

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Post by tmaly »

ricardobeat wrote: post #473
tmaly wrote: post #114

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I know there is this big push to limit screen time for kids. I give screen time more as a reward for hard work and getting chores done. I use the screen time feature on Apple devices to limit my kids screen time and the type of apps they can access.

It doesn’t work though. Using instagram web bypasses the app limit. If you set a website limit, it only applies to Safari. If you block TikTok, they will find video compilations in Spotify, which shouldn’t have to be blocked. It’s a mess.

I solve this with an absolute limit on time to 15 minutes a day.

This blocks even educational apps.

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