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Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by richrichie »

jorvi wrote: post #460
LVB wrote: post #360

Let the experiment take place, I say. Just like Oregon’s now-repealed drug use decriminalization bill. It didn’t achieve its intended goals, but there is now a mass of data about what assumptions were wrong, implementation issues, etc. IMO there is real value in letting states put such changes into play to get beyond the debate and actually test the hypotheses.

The problem is that once such a thing fails, it gives massive ammunition to future naysayers that get to conveniently ignore all the implementation failures because campaigning for/against will ultimately boil down to bullet points.

This is a feature of the US system. Dont think we can work around it.

Imagine that Biden campaigned in 2000 extensively off a hoax that Trump called nazis fine people. This was well supported by professional media.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by Zpalmtree »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #277
floxy wrote: post #253

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Is it easy to find one that doesn't require private mortgage insurance? I remember that being a sticking point when I looked into this in the past few years. The problem I see with requiring such insurance is that I'd already be paying whatever interest rate on a higher loan amount for the same 15- or 30-year period and it's rather insulting when a high credit score isn't a signal that the loan is low risk. How many…

Why should the lender take on more risk because you don't like it?

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by Zpalmtree »

jrflowers wrote: post #258
ericmcer wrote: post #233

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I have a 14 year old and the content of social media seems to be what bums her out. She seems to be ingrained with the idea that she will never own a home, environmental disasters will be constant and the economy will be in shambles by the time she reaches adulthood. Maybe America just has a uniquely depressive social media environment? I have not read any kind of large scale studies examining the "tone" of social me…

> She seems to be ingrained with the idea that she will never own a home, environmental disasters will be constant and the economy will be in shambles by the time she reaches adulthood. This is very troubling. Without social media teens would have to hear those things from their elders and peers in person or read about them elsewhere on the internet

These are all nonsense though

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by mcmoor »

llm_trw wrote: post #553
exabrial wrote: post #333

I'll be the odd guy out and say it should probably be illegal to attempt to enter a contract (AUP, privacy policy, etc) with a minor anyway (for a lot of reasons around exploitation), so I don't _really_ have a major issue with this at face value. I know the devil is in the details though, so kinda curious what the actual provisions are. The alternative is a free internet, where we don't need accounts to do things, b…

>The alternative is a free internet, where we don't need accounts to do things, because we're not building or storing advertising profiles on users. Hmmmm... imagine that. Sure, so long as you pay for the service you're using. 10c per HN post, 50c per facebook photo.

Considering the real cost, it may be more accurate with 10^-5c per HN post, 10^-4c per Facebook photo (numbers made up). But they're a pain in the ass to pay, so we depend on people who do pay them in bulk, that is, the advertisers. But if we can invent any other method to properly trade this small amount of value, I think we can finally do away with them.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by AnarchismIsCool »

oooyay wrote: post #582
jorvi wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that once such a thing fails, it gives massive ammunition to future naysayers that get to conveniently ignore all the implementation failures because campaigning for/against will ultimately boil down to bullet points.

I'm an Oregon resident. I disagree to an extent. Oregons drug decriminalization failed because of a few reasons that are plain to see: - The people who wrote the measure did not prescribe how it should be done, just what it should achieve. - The measure demanded changes be immediate, which didn't jive with a very slow running, heavy bureaucracy like Oregons government. More importantly, time was not given for the soc…

Yeah, I'm saddened that everyone is jumping on the "whelp, back to the war on drugs" band wagon...

This is a thing we can do and make work, plenty of other places have had success with it, we just keep doing things in the most Kafka-esque way possible.

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Post by vundercind »

gretch wrote: post #612
vundercind wrote: post #528

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It’s better to have no data than one high-profile poorly-executed experiment.

Everything in our society at scale is going to be “poorly executed”. If your idea only succeeds when the smartest people are running it, and they can’t make any mistakes, then it’s not actually a good idea.

If only it were possible for terms like “poorly-executed” to adjust for context.

Alas, language is not so flexible.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by iteygib »

LVB wrote: post #360

Let the experiment take place, I say. Just like Oregon’s now-repealed drug use decriminalization bill. It didn’t achieve its intended goals, but there is now a mass of data about what assumptions were wrong, implementation issues, etc. IMO there is real value in letting states put such changes into play to get beyond the debate and actually test the hypotheses.

It depends on what the change is. I wouldn't approve states trialing slavery. I don't agree with the social media law as well. It's a cultural tool, so let parents dictate what they want their kids to see or use. If anything, they could push laws to give parents better tools/information to help them manager their kid's screen time, not just an outright ban.

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Post by maximinus_thrax »

nemo44x wrote: post #583
maximinus_thrax wrote: post #438

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> Let the experiment take place, I say. I think the experiment is more about the judiciary and about tribal politics. There's ample case law against something like this, so to me this seems unconstitutional, and I doubt it will stand. But DeSantis will win some more heart and minds of the folks who secretly do want big government protecting them from the boogieman. Regardless of anyone's views about social media, the…

The case law actually supports this. Lots of speech is restricted from minors and since social media companies aren’t publicly funded institutions it’s even more ironclad. For instance public schools have more restrictions on limiting expression than private schools. I think it’s excellent the government is taking a stand to protect kids when it’s obvious most parents are unable to. Kids have no business in the disco…

Let's see how this plays out in the courts, then. This is why I said this is an experiment for the judiciary. One of the issues here is that it restricts speech towards people who do not have an ID.

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Post by macintux »

taxyz wrote: post #430
TeaBrain wrote: post #305

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"Secondly, why do people think there is some sort of town square?" Cities and towns in the US were once often built around town squares. Many cities have open public areas like this in Europe and South America where people can congregate. Plaza de Mayo in Buenos Aires comes to mind. Cities in the US haven't been designed around a central town square in a long time, but the term has stuck colloquially. https://en.wiki…

My point is not that they NEVER existed, its that they no longer exist in the capacity most people mean when they use the term. As you mentioned, cities used to be organized around them. Most people now live in cities that are either don't have one at all or don't have one that is used in the way they were hundreds of years ago. Furthermore, the behavior that was tolerated in the town square would not be close to wha…

Requiring age verification online for adults is the only way to keep kids out.

And requiring identification to lounge on the town square is generally considered unconstitutional in the U.S.

I don’t know how to square this circle. Can you conduct age verification without requiring identification?

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Post by Sargos »

mcmoor wrote: post #624
llm_trw wrote: post #553

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>The alternative is a free internet, where we don't need accounts to do things, because we're not building or storing advertising profiles on users. Hmmmm... imagine that. Sure, so long as you pay for the service you're using. 10c per HN post, 50c per facebook photo.

Considering the real cost, it may be more accurate with 10^-5c per HN post, 10^-4c per Facebook photo (numbers made up). But they're a pain in the ass to pay, so we depend on people who do pay them in bulk, that is, the advertisers. But if we can invent any other method to properly trade this small amount of value, I think we can finally do away with them.

This is how web3 operates. A post cost a bit of gas (usually a penny or less) and that pays for the infrastructure (data processed and stored in the smart contract. Each user paying for their own actions prevents the need for advertisers.
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