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Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison

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I met a nice Israeli filmography couple (somewhat known in Israel, I think) in Tulum last summer. After conducting important business, they were telling me about how they were vacating on the back of a nice windfall -- they got paid upfront for an editting/production job which was unprecedented and generous. Implications of lots of money and some "image rehabilitation". They're acting a bit coy about it, and I'm feel…

I propose the Bankman-Fried number: how many people you personally know who got rekt in the crypto crash of November 2022.

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The US prison sentence lengths are insane.

They've never made any sense to me, but neither do my country's sentence lengths. Ours seem too light, whereas the US's seem extreme.

I guess I'm really not sure what value there is to locking up someone like this for 25 years when in a sane system/society there should be far better options.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been posted a thousand times already, there is no parole for federal sentences.

Not "parole" but his sentence can be reduced. From the article: > There is no possibility of parole in federal criminal cases, but Bankman-Fried can still shave time off his 25-year sentence with good behavior. > "SBF may serve as little as 12.5 years, if he gets all of the jailhouse credit available to him," Mitchell Epner, a former federal prosecutor, told CNN. > Federal prisoners generally can earn up to 54 days o…

Biden can also pardon him on his way out.

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"Wow jeez! 'Only' ten years! That's not so bad, I think I could live with that, now I think I'm gonna go pull a huge scam! But damn, if he would have got 20 or 25 years, then I'd have to reconsider my carefully thought out decision to commit fraud" -- Nobody, Ever.

To most people, just the act of losing everything you have, losing your ability to provide for your family or yourself. Losing your reputation, your career and future career opportunities, is enough to deter them. Whether a crime will give you 10 years or 20 years, most people consider that to be so long, that it's more or less all the same. It feels like an eternity, and it feels like your life is over. So if they are going to take a risk, or make a stupid decision, then they are going to do it regardless. Not because they accept the risk, but because nobody ever believes they are ever going to get caught. They consider that as "my life is over anyway". And usually, it is. That's not the point of prison. If you are ever going to let people out, why not focus on making sure they don't come back. Punishing people by throwing them in cages with worse people, absolutely does not work. (note: I am speaking mostly about non-violent crimes, which make up 72% of the federal system)

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison

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To be honest, isn't 25 years too much? He didn't beat or kill anyone, he simply found dumb people and took little of their money. It is not like he was robbing poor people by increasing their utilities bill every year or raising rent. Why is such a small, non-violent crime so severely punished? Of course he deserves a punishment but maybe not that much?

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To put this into its proper perspective, see table 7 here: https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-pu... In 2022, the average murderer in the Federal Southern District of New York (N = 58) was sentenced to a median of 231 months, which comes out to 19 years and change. No crime of any type had an mean or median sentence higher than 25 years; most were far less than half. So it should be really hard…

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This type of punishment is actually pretty terrible for all parties. I could easily see a different, harsher, but more fair punishment... 1. All assets are sold off to pay victims 2. Prison for a few years. 5? 3. can only work jobs where nobody reports to them (no management, C levels, etc). Also cannot make companies. 4. Cannot own more than 2 properties, one of which is his place of residence. 5. Cannot rent out an…

True. But americans love to waste their tax money and put harmless (in a physical violence sense) people like him behind bars instead of doing something useful for society. In 10 years he'll be free and start the next scam with the couple of millions he's probably hiding somewhere.

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There's still a lot more 'crypto' scammers to go.

Crypto doesn’t need quotes

Before the Bitcoin et al. scamming, some people said "crypto" to abbreviate terms like cryptography and cryptographic protocol. Scammer bros appropriated "crypto", and made it dirty.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison

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Quite a short sentence for the magnitude of the crime. Financial crimes like these do kill people and destroy countless lives. They deserve maximum pentalties.

prison should fundamentally be abt rehabilitation, not whatever retribution random ppl think is “proportional”

> prison should fundamentally be abt rehabilitation

You can’t ignore retribution and incapacitation. Focus solely on rehabilitation and people will take the law into their own hands while raging against the system when it comes to recividism.

We need to focus more on rehabilitation and restoration. But those can’t be exclusive of the other components of justice.

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