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Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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This is not true! I was looking at a hair salon and bakery recently. Both, being run by millennials, have nothing but a google maps listing and an Instagram account. But I don't have one and after looking at a few photos of cakes and hairstyles, it gives me the boot and asks me to sign in to see more! Adding mandatory government ID to that is crazy.

They sound like incompetent business proprietors. When did having a website become something exclusively for old people? Millennials are in their 30s and 40s.

Their competence is measured by their success, not your opinions. And it turns out that in many professions, an insta is the thing you need for success.

If you don't like it, that's your problem, not theirs. You're part of a small enough group they don't care about. I'm not sure how that's an age question in the first place, though. The "being run by millenials" throwaway by GP is just... well, at best, sloppy thinking.

There are GenZ businesses websiting, there are boomers insta-ing. You pick the tool for your niche.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Ah! The good old party of small government, individual liberties and free market. Well done sticking to your principals sirs and madams!

So the party of small government isn't allowed to make any laws, even for (what they consider, at least) the well-being of society? This concept that "the other side" can't do anything right is going to be the end of society.

It's the hypocrisy of espousing liberty while systematically stripping away personal rights.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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As a parent, I’m concerned about social media, and it has been more or less impossible to stop my teens from using it. They were jailbreaking and using VPNs and bypassing my parental controls a lot earlier than I expected. I did notice that whenever my kids didn’t have access to phones and games for several days for whatever reason, they were less grouchy and more willing to engage with us and do family or social act…

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Yes, because gender issues didn't exist until the internet did. They definitely didn't exist decades or centuries ago:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-his...

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Great. I think few people have any doubts about social media being a net negative for young people.

> I think few people have any doubts about social media being a net negative for young people. They should have doubts. This position is not supported by the currently available evidence[0][1][2]. The APA’s position paper makes this explicit: “Using social media is not inherently beneficial or harmful to young people.” So long as focus remains on scapegoating ‘social media’ as the main cause of suffering, we will nev…

> The APA’s position paper makes this explicit: “Using social media is not inherently beneficial or harmful to young people.”

I think this is just saying that social media is still part of society, and so there is nothing inherently bad in using social media, which is just an extension of our offline lives. That doesn't mean it's not harmful - if the offline life is harmful, social media can amplify it.

> The negative aspects of social media apply to young and old equally

The APA paper is filled with warnings specifically about adolescent social media use:

> ...potential risks are likely to be greater in early adolescence — a period of greater biological, social, and psychological transitions...

> Parental monitoring... and developmentally appropriate limit-setting... is critical, especially in early adolescence.

> Evidence suggests that exposure to maladaptive behavior may promote similar behavior among vulnerable youth, and online social reinforcement of these behaviors may be related to increased risk for serious psychological symptoms, even after controlling for offline influences.

> Research demonstrates that adolescents’ exposure to online discrimination and hate predicts increases in anxiety and depressive symptoms, even after controlling for how much adolescents are exposed to similar experiences offline.

> Data indicate that technology use particularly within one hour of bedtime, and social media use in particular, is associated with sleep disruptions. Insufficient sleep is associated with disruptions to neurological development in adolescent brains, teens’ emotional functioning, and risk for suicide.

> Research suggests that using social media for social comparisons related to physical appearance... [is] related to poorer body image, disordered eating, and depressive symptoms, particularly among girls.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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I'll be the odd guy out and say it should probably be illegal to attempt to enter a contract (AUP, privacy policy, etc) with a minor anyway (for a lot of reasons around exploitation), so I don't _really_ have a major issue with this at face value. I know the devil is in the details though, so kinda curious what the actual provisions are. The alternative is a free internet, where we don't need accounts to do things, b…

Plenty of other goods and services are used by children, even targeted at them, without them needing to enter a contract.

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Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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>Critics have said the bill violates the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment protections for free speech and that parents, not the government, should make decisions about the online presence of their children of all ages. It's extremely difficult for parents to stop their children, especially early teens from using social media. This law should make it easier and it would put the work on Meta, Snap, Tiktok, Pinterest…

Not speaking from personal experience. My kid is only 4. Your argument seems like exactly what my parents would have said about me spending so much time on TV, computers and electronics instead of studying, playing outside, sports etc. Almost exactly like your last paragraph.. “I’m personally glad that I grew up without infinite channels on TV, computers and its games, cell phones and your SMSes. I’m worried about yo…

What if it was the responsibility of parents to make sure their kids didn't smoke cigarettes, but it was legal for stores to sell cigarettes to kids? Responsible parents could tell their children they are forbidden from buying them, explain all the reasons why it's bad, and then kids could just walk into a store and buy them anyway. Putting it all on parents doesn't work, parents aren't capable of supervising 24/7 and it isn't reasonable to act like they are or should be.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Let the experiment take place, I say. Just like Oregon’s now-repealed drug use decriminalization bill. It didn’t achieve its intended goals, but there is now a mass of data about what assumptions were wrong, implementation issues, etc. IMO there is real value in letting states put such changes into play to get beyond the debate and actually test the hypotheses.

> IMO there is real value in letting states ... test the hypotheses.

"Experience is a dear teacher, but fools will have no other" -- Benjamin Franklin

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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There’s some survivorship bias here. Not everyone who was exposed to disturbing content is unaffected or can move past it so easily. And in 2024, it’s far more likely to encounter something you had no intention of seeing. It’s worth thinking about the social climate right now as the long tail of the last 25-30 years of technology advancement. Mass shootings are so common now they often don’t even register on people’s…

> And in 2024, it’s far more likely to encounter something you had no intention of seeing. Strongly disagree. I haven't stumbled on "goatse" level shock imagery in years. Sure you might encounter stuff you had no intention of seeing, but that's only because you're being funnelled into link farms or other for-profit crapware flooding the internet. It's very rare to stumble on something disturbing.

Goatse is tame as fuck by modern internet standards.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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The recent World Happiness Report[0] concluded: > In many but not all regions, the young are happier than the old. But in North America happiness has fallen so sharply for the young that they are now less happy than the old. By contrast, in the transition countries of Central and Eastern Europe, the young are much happier than the old. In Western Europe as a whole happiness is similar at all ages, while elsewhere it…

I have a 14 year old and the content of social media seems to be what bums her out. She seems to be ingrained with the idea that she will never own a home, environmental disasters will be constant and the economy will be in shambles by the time she reaches adulthood. Maybe America just has a uniquely depressive social media environment? I have not read any kind of large scale studies examining the "tone" of social me…

Lying to her like that will probably undermine her trust in you going forward. I understand that you mean well, and sometimes we have to lie to kids about things that are too complex for them to understand, but this doesn't sound like one of these cases. It might be more effective to gently massage the truth so that it's compatible with the negativity she's digested, i.e. 'here's what's being done to manage the climate, here's the measures that are keeping the economy in good shape'.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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> she will be able to buy a house if she wants one, the economy will always be good for people who are work smart and hard, etc. Yeah, I don't think that's true at all. Its just anecdata, but I have several friends in their 30s for which that's just not the case. They're smart and work (harder than I do, just not in tech), but the price of a down payment on a home is going up faster than they're able to save, and the…

I'll add my own anecdata here. My older kids are in their late 20s and one has bought a home and the other is buying a new build home this year. My youngest is 18, the greatest consumer of social media of my 4 children, and she's convinced she won't be able to buy a home like her under-30 siblings are doing right now. Sounds very much like a YMMV situation, but it feels like social media has influenced my youngest to…

If someone is convinced that all housing is going to stay/become extravagantly expensive, shouldn't they get into real estate development to cash in on the opportunity? So they can build houses/condos/etc. Seems like they could become architects, or real estate agents, or work for (or own) a construction company. Maybe designing robots that build houses. Or work for a REIT.
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