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Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by joemazerino »

userabchn wrote: post #267
ericmcer wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a 14 year old and the content of social media seems to be what bums her out. She seems to be ingrained with the idea that she will never own a home, environmental disasters will be constant and the economy will be in shambles by the time she reaches adulthood. Maybe America just has a uniquely depressive social media environment? I have not read any kind of large scale studies examining the "tone" of social me…

> Maybe America just has a uniquely depressive social media environment? Perhaps America is a bigger target than other countries for foreign influence operations that seek to cause division and depression using social media.

This and this again. Tiktok is a foreign influence machine on its own and it is wrecking havoc across the West. Compare Western Tiktok to Chinese Tiktok and see the difference for yourself.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by crysin »

aurareturn wrote: post #25

>Critics have said the bill violates the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment protections for free speech and that parents, not the government, should make decisions about the online presence of their children of all ages. It's extremely difficult for parents to stop their children, especially early teens from using social media. This law should make it easier and it would put the work on Meta, Snap, Tiktok, Pinterest…

This trope that kids are more vulnerable to the influence of social media is dangerous. Media literacy, social media literacy, and internet literacy are critical for all ages, as without it you could be 10 or 40 and be equally influenced by some "influencer" you watch daily videos from. There are plenty of adults who react just as equally as a child would. Age does not guarantee maturity or competency.

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Post by sameoldtune »

oglop wrote: post #240
Buttons840 wrote: post #231

The recent World Happiness Report[0] concluded: > In many but not all regions, the young are happier than the old. But in North America happiness has fallen so sharply for the young that they are now less happy than the old. By contrast, in the transition countries of Central and Eastern Europe, the young are much happier than the old. In Western Europe as a whole happiness is similar at all ages, while elsewhere it…

Interesting young populations bordering all too real conflicts and war and existentially threatening neighbors are happier than people who have, by comparison, so much less to be unhappy about. Also the old are very rich in America. They hold stocks and do well. I’m a millennial and can’t say I’ve had that experience. I would bet old Europeans own less securities and are less wealthy possibly. This decreases the olde…

Came here to write similar things. The US has had absolutely unrivaled prosperity in the last 70 years. I think some healthy global arbitration is occurring. Globalization, remote work, and raising standards of living mean there are fewer faceless foreign workers to grind to dust—some of that pain inevitably will come back home now in the form of lower real wages and less glamorous work.

Young people still have good wages and opportunities, but it is hard not to be envious of previous (white) generations that could expect a separated house and a pension for working at a factory. It would be nice if young people could have a broader perspective on this point, but that’s a complaint as old as civilization.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by Zambyte »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #134
mmkos wrote: post #16

Great. I think few people have any doubts about social media being a net negative for young people.

I suspect literally billions of people have some doubts about that.

Do they happen to fall in a certain age group?

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Post by smileysteve »

ericmcer wrote: post #288
psadauskas wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> she will be able to buy a house if she wants one, the economy will always be good for people who are work smart and hard, etc. Yeah, I don't think that's true at all. Its just anecdata, but I have several friends in their 30s for which that's just not the case. They're smart and work (harder than I do, just not in tech), but the price of a down payment on a home is going up faster than they're able to save, and the…

You are totally right housing prices have skyrocketed relative to wages, but you cant just tell kids they are doomed. There have always been good times and hard times and there are always people who succeed or fail regardless.

> but you cant just tell kids they are doomed

But you can expose them to broader view points;

Why is owning a house a goal, or dilemma that would lead to depression? This is perhaps the "American" part; how many countries is home and automobile ownership a top coming of age marker?

Environmental disasters are going to happen (especially in top article of Florida) how can a kid take part through volunteering or voting for non disaster policies?

Economic disaster ^^ see above ^^ but yes, America has not grasped with demographic shift with baby boomer retirements; and a future lack of workers; this is where parents can teach children self sufficiency.

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Post by kelseyfrog »

ericmcer wrote: post #288
psadauskas wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> she will be able to buy a house if she wants one, the economy will always be good for people who are work smart and hard, etc. Yeah, I don't think that's true at all. Its just anecdata, but I have several friends in their 30s for which that's just not the case. They're smart and work (harder than I do, just not in tech), but the price of a down payment on a home is going up faster than they're able to save, and the…

You are totally right housing prices have skyrocketed relative to wages, but you cant just tell kids they are doomed. There have always been good times and hard times and there are always people who succeed or fail regardless.

I'm not sure if you intended it or not, but it reads like a justification of the Nobel Lie[1].

I don't think the truth can be contained once it's out. Truth, of course, wins out in the end.

1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_lie

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Post by mk89 »

joemazerino wrote: post #291
userabchn wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe America just has a uniquely depressive social media environment? Perhaps America is a bigger target than other countries for foreign influence operations that seek to cause division and depression using social media.

This and this again. Tiktok is a foreign influence machine on its own and it is wrecking havoc across the West. Compare Western Tiktok to Chinese Tiktok and see the difference for yourself.

Let's take TikTok down. I am all for it.

Let's also take Facebook and Instagram down, though.

Bad propaganda from China that makes our kids depressed is as bad as the same bad propaganda from an American company. And Facebook stopped being a place to make friends a long time ago.

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Post by squigz »

ericmcer wrote: post #288
psadauskas wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> she will be able to buy a house if she wants one, the economy will always be good for people who are work smart and hard, etc. Yeah, I don't think that's true at all. Its just anecdata, but I have several friends in their 30s for which that's just not the case. They're smart and work (harder than I do, just not in tech), but the price of a down payment on a home is going up faster than they're able to save, and the…

You are totally right housing prices have skyrocketed relative to wages, but you cant just tell kids they are doomed. There have always been good times and hard times and there are always people who succeed or fail regardless.

> but you cant just tell kids they are doomed

Lying to them when they can see the evidence to the contrary is better?

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Post by fulafel »

ericmcer wrote: post #233
Buttons840 wrote: post #231

The recent World Happiness Report[0] concluded: > In many but not all regions, the young are happier than the old. But in North America happiness has fallen so sharply for the young that they are now less happy than the old. By contrast, in the transition countries of Central and Eastern Europe, the young are much happier than the old. In Western Europe as a whole happiness is similar at all ages, while elsewhere it…

I have a 14 year old and the content of social media seems to be what bums her out. She seems to be ingrained with the idea that she will never own a home, environmental disasters will be constant and the economy will be in shambles by the time she reaches adulthood. Maybe America just has a uniquely depressive social media environment? I have not read any kind of large scale studies examining the "tone" of social me…

Not sure we should be trying to fix away awareness of the climate crisis, which seems to be a blind spot for most older people preventing the democratic process from taking the needed drastic actions.

(Same could be said for the increasing economic inequality despite record GDP, though it's more survivable near term)

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Post by api »

ericmcer wrote: post #233
Buttons840 wrote: post #231

The recent World Happiness Report[0] concluded: > In many but not all regions, the young are happier than the old. But in North America happiness has fallen so sharply for the young that they are now less happy than the old. By contrast, in the transition countries of Central and Eastern Europe, the young are much happier than the old. In Western Europe as a whole happiness is similar at all ages, while elsewhere it…

I have a 14 year old and the content of social media seems to be what bums her out. She seems to be ingrained with the idea that she will never own a home, environmental disasters will be constant and the economy will be in shambles by the time she reaches adulthood. Maybe America just has a uniquely depressive social media environment? I have not read any kind of large scale studies examining the "tone" of social me…

"Never own a home."

As I say at every opportunity: it's housing prices.

Housing prices are the #1 reason for youth "doom and gloom" about their economic future, at least in many Western countries and especially anglosphere countries.

Social media doesn't help, especially for teens (and it's apparently worse for girls), but it's not the only or even main cause.

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