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Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by bad_username »

nekochanwork wrote: post #45

"I don't want my kids using social media without my permission" is a problem that already has a solution: put parental controls on your kids devices. We don't need Daddy Government to make decisions that can and should be made by parents.

My daughter broke or worked around three different parental control systems, including Google's own Family Link. There is always some webview in some settings page that will not be regulated and can be used to browse the Internet or some crap like this. These systems are either all poor or this game of whack a mole is unwinnable in principle.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by cpncrunch »

edgyquant wrote: post #5
setgree wrote: post #3

I support this in theory, but good luck trying to outmaneuver teens on the internet. I foresee a proliferation of age faking tools, VPNs, etc.

If you start fining the social media companies for breaking this law, this problem will be fixed quickly. Your demoralization propaganda is a line perpetuated by these companies to avoid responsibility

It's a technical problem that isn't easily solvable though, unless facebook outright bans all VPNs.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by bananapub »

oliwarner wrote: post #188
alphabettsy wrote: post #81

The biggest problem I see is that we’re now essentially requiring ID to use substantial parts of the internet. So many business only have a Facebook page, Google maps has social features. I already didn’t want a Facebook account just to see a businesses specials, now I’ll need to present ID too? Certainly interested to see how all this plays out.

H.B.3 only prohibits these minors holding accounts on social media. They can still browse, as can anyone without an account and age verification. You'd be able to view a business's information, watch videos, etc etc etc, just not create your own. It also has conditions for which sites are affected by this law. The site has to have doomscroll and already be popular with kids. Google Maps isn't what they're targeting.…

> You'd be able to view a business's information, watch videos, etc etc etc, just not create your own.

so...everyone - that Facebook or whatever considers to be in Florida - has to provide ID to post, then?

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by msluyter »

mike_hearn wrote: post #228
msluyter wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the empirical evidence is fairly clear, actually.[1][2] Having struggled with various forms of screen addiction myself, I find it sort of odd that a lot of people are so laissez faire about giving children the most addictive device ever created.[3] Whether or not this law is a good idea, I think it's incumbent on parents to monitor and limit screen time and access to social media. Which is difficult! When my…

It's risky to describe the claims of social studies profs as clear empirical evidence, given the history of the field. Twenge makes some unscientific arguments in her blog post, like constantly conflating correlation with causation despite her evidence not being able to show that. She also seems to think that if she knocks down a series of counter-arguments, then that means that her own argument must be correct. Give…

It definitely appears much worse for girls, but afaict, depression has risen in boys as well, just by not as much. See graphs here: [1]

So if social medial is harmful in general, I don't view prohibiting it a "punishment" for boys; perhaps like less of a benefit? Regarding your second point, I imagine the data would provide some clues. If the kids that are now teens were always more depressed, I'd imagine that we'd see more pre-teen depression ~3-8 years ago. I haven't looked into it closely.

And I grant that social science statistics are often problematic -- I imagine it'll take a while to really know what's going on.

[1] https://www.afterbabel.com/p/international-mental-illness-pa...

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by FireBeyond »

awkward wrote: post #194
e_i_pi_2 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because at 18 people are responsible for their own actions This is only because we arbitrarily picked an age - we used to consider people responsible for their own actions at much younger ages, it makes sense to change the number when we get new science supporting that. If the argument is that we shouldn't use brain development as a reason to restrict young people, then why not lower the drinking age again or get r…

Science has discovered that the age of 25 is when neuroplasticity starts to decline. So what? There's a lot of argumentation needed to link that physical threshold with legal restriction. It seems like you're arguing that people shouldn't fully participate in society until they start losing their ability to learn. Have you met people who've lived overly sheltered lives until the age of 25? Their tolerance towards ris…

There's also the issue of life expectancy. In the US, for males? 77 years. Now we're basically saying "For the first third of your life, we're going to dictate a lot of what you can't do".

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by ijijijjij »

awkward wrote: post #49
newhotelowner wrote: post #24

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Why 18 and not 25?

Because at 18 people are responsible for their own actions, and restricting them after that is unreasonable and contrary to personal freedom. There's a consistent factoid going around that brains aren't done developing until the age of 25. It's frequently used as an argument to restrict young people. Looking at performance by age in fields like math and music, declining brain plasticity seems more like a reason to im…

They try people as adults before they turn 18

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by userabchn »

ericmcer wrote: post #233
Buttons840 wrote: post #231

The recent World Happiness Report[0] concluded: > In many but not all regions, the young are happier than the old. But in North America happiness has fallen so sharply for the young that they are now less happy than the old. By contrast, in the transition countries of Central and Eastern Europe, the young are much happier than the old. In Western Europe as a whole happiness is similar at all ages, while elsewhere it…

I have a 14 year old and the content of social media seems to be what bums her out. She seems to be ingrained with the idea that she will never own a home, environmental disasters will be constant and the economy will be in shambles by the time she reaches adulthood. Maybe America just has a uniquely depressive social media environment? I have not read any kind of large scale studies examining the "tone" of social me…

> Maybe America just has a uniquely depressive social media environment?

Perhaps America is a bigger target than other countries for foreign influence operations that seek to cause division and depression using social media.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by thomastjeffery »

oliwarner wrote: post #245
scarface_74 wrote: post #223

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The last thing we need is to force everyone to have ID to “protect the children” before I can go on to a site on the internet.

Which is not what anyone is calling for.

What? That's literally what we are talking about!

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by thomastjeffery »

Gud wrote: post #174
Clubber wrote: post #158

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>I’ve gotten by for the last several years without Facebook or Google (I do use a YT account, but not for anything meaningful). It’s annoying, but doable. I think the point is that the internet and particularly social media is now the de-facto town square. States are basically requiring identification to speak or criticize government in the town square. If you take a step back and look at it that way, it's grossly an…

It’s not a defacto town square though. If anything, these services are more similar to shopping malls. And don’t be surprised when the mall cop throws you out for causing a scene, or just lounging about and not consuming enough.

1. You don't need an ID to shop at a mall.

2. The government doesn't tell mall cops what to do.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by [deleted] »

Clubber wrote: post #158
macintux wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve gotten by for the last several years without Facebook or Google (I do use a YT account, but not for anything meaningful). It’s annoying, but doable.

>I’ve gotten by for the last several years without Facebook or Google (I do use a YT account, but not for anything meaningful). It’s annoying, but doable. I think the point is that the internet and particularly social media is now the de-facto town square. States are basically requiring identification to speak or criticize government in the town square. If you take a step back and look at it that way, it's grossly an…

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