Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The article mistakenly refers to Sagrada Familia as the cathedral of Barcelona. It's not. It's a minor basilica, not a cathedral. There may not be enough institutional knowledge at CNN about Catholicism that the editors would know that there is a difference between a basilica and a cathedral. This is the sort of thing that the folks at GetReligion.com were trying to address: not advocating any particular religion,…
> There may not be enough institutional knowledge at CNN about Catholicism that the editors would know that there is a difference between a basilica and a cathedral. I find it shocking that writers there have heard different words for "big impressive Catholic church" but lack the intellectual curiosity to learn the difference. Words are what they deal in all day.
Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026
201–210 of 341 posts
Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the footprint is so expensive, you'd expect more investment in building quality, not less.
bricks and wood are unable to maximize the quality of a limited footprint. an expensive plot of land in a city needs to be built to certain quality standards to make sure it is affordable and safe. this is only possible with steel and concrete. brick and wood alone can't build safely and cheaply over 3 stories
Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the footprint is so expensive, you'd expect more investment in building quality, not less.
bricks and wood are unable to maximize the quality of a limited footprint. an expensive plot of land in a city needs to be built to certain quality standards to make sure it is affordable and safe. this is only possible with steel and concrete. brick and wood alone can't build safely and cheaply over 3 stories
brick and wood alone can't build safely and cheaply over 3 stories
Tell that to those architects:
https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/worlds-tallest-woo...Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026
#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
The page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica_of_Saint-Denis states > Although known as the "Basilica of St Denis", the cathedral has not been granted the title of Minor Basilica by the Vatican.
Does it matter when it has been called like that for more than 12 centuries?
Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026
#205Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…
I'll take the ugly 70s concrete block I work in nowadays any day. It's _extremely_ difficult to adapt a lot of these old forms to functional, comfortable housing and offices. There are exceptions, but practicality is a big part of the change.
You're also seeing a certain amount of survivor bias in many cities; the old buildings that are still around are the ones that someone thought it would be worthwhile to keep around.
Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026
#206It's amazing if you haven't gone, especially when sunlight streams in through the windows. I saw a quote while I was there that was something along the lines of, "Gaudí is not an artist with whom posthumous collaboration is possible." A couple minutes walking around the church is all that's needed to confirm that notion.
Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026
#207The article mistakenly refers to Sagrada Familia as the cathedral of Barcelona. It's not. It's a minor basilica, not a cathedral.
why not a major basilica. it s pretty big
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilicas_in_the_Catholic_Chur...
Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026
#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
We can do that. But we can't make new space.
If the footprint is so expensive, you'd expect more investment in building quality, not less.
And the footprint isn't the only thing that's more expensive, all the cool new technologies that your grandparent comment brought up are all more expensive to implement than structures without them. The existence of those technologies implies the existence of skilled professionals to plan and install them. It used to be that you just needed to pay your architect and engineer and builders, now you gotta also pay your crane operators and electricians and plumbers and acoustic consultants, and fire protection experts, and geologists, and network engineers, and energy consultants, and accessibility consultants too and they all want to be paid well for their expertise.
The proliferation of skilled professionals reduces the appetite in the population in general for unskilled manual labor, so that gets more scarce and expensive too. Gotta pay the builders well or else they'll quit and change careers to be one of those professional types.
Add to that the regulatory and compliance requirements that raises the floor of acceptable quality (building MUST be energy efficient, accessible, fire-safe, earthquake-safe, minimally ecologically impactful, etc etc etc) and your wiggle room for where to focus your "quality" budget is pretty tiny and exterior aesthetics rapidly sinks to the bottom of that list.
[disclaimer: I actually disagree with the people who say that new buildings are ugly. I actually like the modernist and international style aesthetics that are artistic declarations of raw functionality. My town has a brutalist city hall where the council chamber juts out in an overhang, so when you walk by you can look at it and say "that funky structural appendix is the exact room where people are making important decisions at this very moment" which I think is cool. This post-modern concert hall just opened a few blocks from me and I think it's pretty sexy: https://wysomusic.org/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2021-11... ]
Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026
#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m not particularly religious and not Catholic, but the Sagrada Familia brought me to tears. The interior is one of the most beautiful man-made spaces I’ve ever seen.
Agreed, went last summer and have told at least a dozen people how it’s the most impressive interior I’ve been inside in my 48 years. Stayed for 3 hours just to observe the shifting light. I’ll be in Barcelona again on Thurs, can’t wait to go back.
Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026
#210It's amazing if you haven't gone, especially when sunlight streams in through the windows. I saw a quote while I was there that was something along the lines of, "Gaudí is not an artist with whom posthumous collaboration is possible." A couple minutes walking around the church is all that's needed to confirm that notion.
I saw it 20 years ago and it was impressive, but it's hard to take in fully with the crowds.