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Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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We can do that. But we can't make new space.

If the footprint is so expensive, you'd expect more investment in building quality, not less.

bricks and wood are unable to maximize the quality of a limited footprint. an expensive plot of land in a city needs to be built to certain quality standards to make sure it is affordable and safe. this is only possible with steel and concrete.

brick and wood alone can't build safely and cheaply over 3 stories

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I feel like the only person in the world who was thoroughly underwhelmed by it and really don’t see how its future space requirements for a staircase can be justified. This isn’t me trying to be edgy, I like cathedrals, this one (and his general style) just left me cold. Duomo in Milan was far better imo.

I’ve only seen it in pictures, but I’m not a fan either. Looks completely secular, might as well be a concert hall or something. Maybe that’s the point, throw an as wide net as possible to appeal to everyone to try to justify the cost.

This is an interesting comment to me! How do you define secular-looking? Is it a lack of some particular design element?

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Where are you getting the "anarchists" part from? As far as I know, it isn't known exactly what group was behind the ransacking, and the sources you link only talks about "Vandals" and "revolutionary groups". That quote of yours don't seem to be a verbatim quote?

some people use anarchist as term similar to "vandal", "rioter" or "terrorist", just a rogue element at the time causing destruction or chaos.

But anarchists were a distinct and active political force in Spain during (and before) the Spanish Civil War. I suspect the page is talking about those anarchists. The Catholic Church was on Franco's side during the Civil War so a church wouldn't have been an unreasonable target for left-wing anarchists, though I have no idea if the claim is true.

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Also a basilica can be a cathedral and vice versa. Saint-Denis in Paris is both a basilica and cathedral.

The page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica_of_Saint-Denis states > Although known as the "Basilica of St Denis", the cathedral has not been granted the title of Minor Basilica by the Vatican.

Does it matter when it has been called like that for more than 12 centuries?

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We underestimate the pressure the world has been under in the last century. In 1950, we had about 2.5 billion people. Today, we have 8 billion. We had to find accommodations for 5.5 billion people who all expected to have a greater standard of living with electricity and living space; something had to give. We had to be more parsimonious with the materials at our disposal.

"We had to find accommodations for 5.5 billion people" is irrelevant to a discussion of one city in Spain that did not grow quickly: Spain has its own architects that haven't been influenced much by architects in countries like Nigeria and India where the population grew very fast.

Population of Barcelona grew from 500K to more than 1.7M in 70 years.

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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I feel like the only person in the world who was thoroughly underwhelmed by it and really don’t see how its future space requirements for a staircase can be justified. This isn’t me trying to be edgy, I like cathedrals, this one (and his general style) just left me cold. Duomo in Milan was far better imo.

I had the same type of feeling. Sagrada felt more like a zoo / tourist attraction then an actual religious building. The design is impressive but it didn't bring the uumpf that Duomo did.

ironically i had the same feeling when i visited the vatican, and they were holding mass while i was visiting!

tourist attraction is always gonna feel like a tourist attraction i guess

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Be careful to avoid survivorship bias here. Only the "best" buildings from Medieval and Renaissance times (or even later into the 1800s) are still around. Many of the buildings we constructed in the second half of the 20th century will be gone in 100 years or so. Also, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I know there was a lot of criticism when the Louvre built the pyramid, but I quite like the contrast of traditio…

You must not travel a lot. There are huge numbers of historic villages and towns with original or very old architecture. If we were dealing with survivorship bias, we should expect essentially random buildings scattered around cities, not entire towns or contiguous historic districts.

I was thinking of iconic buildings - cathedrals, etc.

Thinking of old towsn in the UK, many are picturesque, but those old cottages tend to have limited windows and low ceilings make them far less functional by modern standards.

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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"We had to find accommodations for 5.5 billion people" is irrelevant to a discussion of one city in Spain that did not grow quickly: Spain has its own architects that haven't been influenced much by architects in countries like Nigeria and India where the population grew very fast.

Population of Barcelona grew from 500K to more than 1.7M in 70 years.

OK (that is much faster growth than Spain as a whole) but the 5.5 billion new people is still irrelevant.

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The thing is, most of the 60's/70's building look like shit from outside but are pretty nice and super funcional from the inside while some older ones were made for an era where people had huge hotel particuliers with servants and stuff and the current appartments have been build by splitting those in parts. Those appartments that aren't as well made/functionnal despite being nice to look at and having lots of vertic…

> having lots of vertical space, nice carved/moulded ceiling, etc. Do you mean that being habitable without air conditioning is a negative feature?

I didn't say that. Maybe I haven't phrased it correctly but it was meant to be understood like "despite lots of vertical space, nice ceilings, etc". These are nice things but it doesn't really matter if the floor space is illogical, the kitchen is barely larger than a small wardrobe and you have a piece of corridor that barely has any purpose, is difficult to organize and is only wasting space.
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