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Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by martibravo »

diggan wrote: post #40
cprecioso wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and i would say probably those apartments aren't even hosting locals currently, just digital nomads in overpriced airbnbs

I mean, most of them are hosting "locals" as in residents who live in Barcelona. I just took a look now and there are at least 90 apartments available on Idealista for rent in just the ~3 surrounding blocks around Sagrada Familia. So while in general the whole "touristic flat rentals" stuff is clearly hurting the city, maybe over-dramatizing the impact isn't super useful. Overall the situation sucks though, as prices…

That's a whole other thread. The new Rent Control law has hurt (a lot) long-term rental for locals and long-term residents. All offers on Idealista and other portals are for contracts of up to 12 months, short term rentals under Spanish Law. Those are not rent-controlled contracts.

In my part of Eixample there aren't any long term units available.

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by rsynnott »

pradn wrote: post #31
eadmund wrote: post #13

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> The article mistakenly refers to Sagrada Familia as the cathedral of Barcelona. It's not. It's a minor basilica, not a cathedral. There may not be enough institutional knowledge at CNN about Catholicism that the editors would know that there is a difference between a basilica and a cathedral. This is the sort of thing that the folks at GetReligion.com were trying to address: not advocating any particular religion,…

There is this odd split in American society that makes this possible. You can go through your entire life, end up a professional journalist at the Times and not actually have asked someone about their sincerely held faith and practice. Kids rarely talked about religion in HS, outside of like the Interfaith club. (I ran my high school's and we had an annual panel of a rep from each major religion. I was was quite popu…

Well, the other thing is that many, perhaps most, religious people don't know very much about their religion. Very few Catholics would know the difference between a cathedral and a minor basilica, say (which is what started this thread off in the first place). Actually, I'd argue that this isn't a religious question, anyway; it's administrivia.

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by prmoustache »

martibravo wrote: post #9

It won't. Gaudí's plan was to build a big staircase in front of it creating a new public square next to the temple, replacing some apartment buildings currently being used. Gaudí's project won't be finished until then. There's some pushback from the neighbors because finishing it all means bulldozing hundreds of apartments, although those apartments were bought at a discounted price decades ago because everyone knew…

> There's some pushback from the neighbors because finishing it all means bulldozing hundreds of apartments, although those apartments were bought at a discounted price decades ago because everyone knew they had an expiration date. And now that it's here, they want to keep their apartments even though they were told about the Sagrada Família from the start.

Well, I would say this point becomes moot if they didn't have a permit for it from a start.

Also there are laws that are likely to supersede any expiration date that was set by who knows who in a different era.

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by boringg »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #48

Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…

People de-risk their asset by building it as easy to not offend as possible so if they have to sell it they can find a buyer with relative ease.

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by xyzelement »

simonbarker87 wrote: post #24
martibravo wrote: post #9

It won't. Gaudí's plan was to build a big staircase in front of it creating a new public square next to the temple, replacing some apartment buildings currently being used. Gaudí's project won't be finished until then. There's some pushback from the neighbors because finishing it all means bulldozing hundreds of apartments, although those apartments were bought at a discounted price decades ago because everyone knew…

> There's some pushback Quite understandable as well. The thing is big enough as it is. Bought at a discount or not, bulldozing that many homes in an overpopulated city that already struggles for space due to its geography is a little ludicrous.

If this logic holds, then we should be open to bulldoze the Sagrada Familia itself to make more apartments.

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by diggan »

simonbarker87 wrote: post #24
martibravo wrote: post #9

It won't. Gaudí's plan was to build a big staircase in front of it creating a new public square next to the temple, replacing some apartment buildings currently being used. Gaudí's project won't be finished until then. There's some pushback from the neighbors because finishing it all means bulldozing hundreds of apartments, although those apartments were bought at a discounted price decades ago because everyone knew…

> There's some pushback Quite understandable as well. The thing is big enough as it is. Bought at a discount or not, bulldozing that many homes in an overpopulated city that already struggles for space due to its geography is a little ludicrous.

> bulldozing that many homes in an overpopulated city

As far as I understand, only one building (many flats though) would have to be removed in order to fit the staircase.

Problem is that there isn't a lot of space available to put the people whose home you just removed, so seems unlikely to happen unless our local government suddenly solves some really hard problems.

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

unglaublich wrote: post #43
martibravo wrote: post #37

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As someone from Barcelona, I really wanna see it finished completely. Those apartments had an expiration date the moment they were built in the 60s. Everyone who bought them at a discount knew that they were going to be torn down when the temple itself was finished. I feel it's like those people that buy a house near an airport, they pay pennies for it, and then start lobbying the government for a change in air traff…

Exactly. Nimbyism at its finest: all gains are mine; all losses should be covered. It's bizarre that at the same time, real estate investors think all value increases are rightfully theirs, but they should be protected from any decrease in value. You can hardly call it 'investing' if you're protected from the downsides.

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Post by rsynnott »

Cheer2171 wrote: post #8
amarant wrote: post #6

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I'm curious what "minor" means exactly in this context? I've seen the Sagrada familia, and it ain't small!

Organizational hierarchy of the Catholic Church: a building is a cathedral if and only if it is the seat of a bishop, no matter how grand or modest the building is. There can not be more than one cathedral in a diocese. But colloquially, Sagrada Familia is what most people would consider a cathedral.

> There can not be more than one cathedral in a diocese.

There can be, though it's not common: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-cathedral

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Post by dhosek »

epolanski wrote: post #11
amarant wrote: post #6

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I'm curious what "minor" means exactly in this context? I've seen the Sagrada familia, and it ain't small!

A cathedral is the official seat of the local the bishop and the Sagrada Familia isn't one. A basilica on the other hand is an honorific title granted to some churches by the pope for historical/religious reasons. An interesting note: Saint Peter in Rome, the most famous church in the christian world is not a cathedral itself as it is not where the pope has its seat, that's actually another basilica in Rome, Saint Jo…

The Dedication of the Basilica of St John Lateran is one of the observances in the Catholic liturgical calendar with its own special mass readings that supplant the normally scheduled readings for the day (most of the liturgical calendar consists of dates relative to the start of Advent which happens on the fourth Sunday before Christmas). If I remember correctly, this is one of the feasts considered important enough to supplant the normal Sunday readings if it happens on a Sunday. (Also, worth noting that it’s one of the feasts celebrated in both the Latin and Eastern churches.)

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by tuwtuwtuwtuw »

martibravo wrote: post #9

It won't. Gaudí's plan was to build a big staircase in front of it creating a new public square next to the temple, replacing some apartment buildings currently being used. Gaudí's project won't be finished until then. There's some pushback from the neighbors because finishing it all means bulldozing hundreds of apartments, although those apartments were bought at a discounted price decades ago because everyone knew…

Gaudi has been dead for 100 years. I don't think he has any vote on whether construction is done or not.
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