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'Super memory': Why Emily Nash is sharing her brain with science

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Act III of episode 585 of This American Life (a WBEZ radio show broadcast on NPR and distributed via podcast) discussed this phenomenon and spoke with a few individuals with HSAM: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/585/in-defense-of-ignorance... One of the individuals was a script supervisor in Hollywood responsible for ensuring continuity between scenes during filming. But it also ventures into powerful emotionally re…

I re-listened to this and I think all of this episode is worth the time investment if you have not heard it. The first act is with director Lulu Wang and the real life inspiration for her movie The Farewell and the second part is an interview with Dunning behind the infamous Dunning-Kruger effect.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds familiar, including an unstable or uncertain view of oneself caused by – depending on the situation – not knowing if one's pretty smart and inventive, or a total idiot not capable of living life. Finding the right environment and well, just age help a lot.

> This sounds familiar, including an unstable or uncertain view of oneself caused by – depending on the situation – not knowing if one's pretty smart and inventive, or a total idiot not capable of living life. Also a familiar feeling to me as well.

Fellow idiot chiming in

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I'm curious how this relates to neurodivergent/ADHD/autistic learning where someone has weak rote-memorization skills and mainly remembers things as a fractal of associations. For me, I can't remember that I have an appointment tomorrow, but if you ask me how computers work, I'll start with explaining electron orbitals and band gaps, doping, masking, VLSI, assembly language, C, functional programming and where AI is…

I'm diagnosed as ASD, and a psych has said I'm almost certainly ADHD but untestable. I have an unusually acute visual memory - I can accurately describe the room I was in while Churchill's funeral was on TV, when I was less than 3 years old. Most university exams were effectively open book because I could recall the pages I'd read as images.

I'm not convinced all the stereotypes about ASD/ADHD superpowers are true myself. And yes, autism super skills don't equate to commercial success for most of us.

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This is fascinating, but I’m left confused at the banality. Maybe it’s just the way the article was written, but truly, who cares that she can remember what was playing on Netflix three years ago? It does cause me to wonder if brains are attuned to certain things - like in this woman’s case, is she particularly interested in celebrities and that’s why all the examples given are out of the tabloid headlines? The artic…

Yea the choice of questions to ask her was ridiculous. I mean start there maybe, and escalate to something more interesting, or go further back in time etc. Such a lack of imagination. It's almost like everyone wanted to believe and didn't want to push the limits to break their impression of it being some super power.

They asked for verifiable facts. I think those answers fit that criteria perfectly.

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I wonder if she can index on specific details, or if a linear scan is required to answer more complex queries. If she sits down to read through the periodic table, can she look up all of the properties of any element on demand?

That’s a good question.

She did mention that her memory seems to be calendar based. She might be able to master the periodic table a day at a time. Jan 1, study hydrogen. Jan 2, study helium. Jan 27, study Cobalt.

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Video game personality Tim Rogers supposedly has HSAM, and described it like this: > This is a condition which requires me to remember everything that ever happens within my earshot and eyeshot. No: I describe it impressively: it turns life into noise, and it is useless. Please listen to my noise now, because if you do not, who will? I have lost the ability to hear it. He wrote a semi-fictional essay about it which I…

His short story "Just like hamburger, exactly like hamburger" also largely centers on the experience of his memory:

"For thirty seconds, I remembered the time a man on the street in Oakland, California pointed a gun at me. I remembered everything I remembered the instant the man pointed the gun at me. I remembered telling a beautiful girl on a hot day in a cafe in Shin-Osaka Station about the man pointing a gun at me. I remembered telling her about what I’d remembered that day. I’d told her I’d remembered my fight in elementary school — where I’d hit, again and again, the kid who’d bullied me an entire year. I remembered telling her that when the man pointed the gun at me I remembered my fight and I wished I’d killed the kid who bullied me. I confessed to her that it made me know I am a terrible person. I remembered confessing my terrible personhood to a girl in a cafe in Shin-Osaka Station. She’d told me I was beautiful and I was wonderful. So I was in a car inside a waterfall and I was wishing that other people could make me, instead of my making myself. Then I remembered my friend and his wife and their two cats, dying in the middle of the night in their house because their 3D printer leaked carbon monoxide while they were asleep."

https://medium.com/@108/just-like-hamburger-exactly-like-ham...

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I'm curious how this relates to neurodivergent/ADHD/autistic learning where someone has weak rote-memorization skills and mainly remembers things as a fractal of associations. For me, I can't remember that I have an appointment tomorrow, but if you ask me how computers work, I'll start with explaining electron orbitals and band gaps, doping, masking, VLSI, assembly language, C, functional programming and where AI is…

I don't have a good memory at all, but for some reason, if I listen to a podcast a second time I can recall exactly where I was as the podcast goes on. For example, if I listened to the (fantastic) “search engine” podcast about pig butchering I would know where I was walking my dog, or cleaning the kitchen, etc… It's very odd

It's not just you! I make the same association with podcast episodes, except I usually listen to podcasts while gaming, so for me it's in-game locations or quests.

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is fascinating, but I’m left confused at the banality. Maybe it’s just the way the article was written, but truly, who cares that she can remember what was playing on Netflix three years ago? Anybody who can understand the implications this has for understanding how memory works, creating memory enhancing drugs or gene alterations, and enhancing human cognition? I mean, DUH!

I mean - is that really the case? It almost sounds like she’s just passively absorbing banal shit rather than there being any kind of consciousness. Kinda like a camera with an endless hard drive. Interesting, but what do you do with it?

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Re: 'Super memory': Why Emily Nash is sharing her brain with science

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I wonder if she can index on specific details, or if a linear scan is required to answer more complex queries. If she sits down to read through the periodic table, can she look up all of the properties of any element on demand?

Up above I linked a short story written by a man with HSAM. Here's an excerpt that's a dialogue between himself and someone else with the condition:

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“How many have you seen?” I asked her.

She went on looking at the dog. She blinked a couple times.

“Are you allergic to dogs?” I asked her.

“Yeah,” she said. “I’ve seen sixteen Pomeranians in my life.”

“Nice. I’ve seen, uh.”

We were silent two minutes while I counted.

“I’ve seen fifty-eight Pomeranians.”

“Shit, that’s a lot of Pomeranians.”

“Well, you see them on the train in Tokyo sort of a lot.”

“How many poodles have you seen?”

“Fourteen,” I said.

“You answered very quickly.”

“I counted them a few months ago.”

“Why did you count them?”

“I was trying to get to sleep. I count memories when I am going to sleep.”

“That’s interesting.”

“It’s gotten more interesting as I’ve gotten older. It’s like Memory Golf: I try to think of things that have only happened between three and five times.”

“Why three and five times?”

“It’s hypnotic,” I said. “Three or five times gives you a little slice of every part of your life. You can write a complete and thorough autobiography about anything that’s happened to you between three and ten times.”

“Why not more than ten times?”

“Then it’d be too long.”

“How many cups of coffee have you drunk in your life?”

“Whoa — whoa. Please don’t ask me that. I’ll start counting and then I’ll slip into a coma for a year.”

“Sorry. Now I am thinking about it too. Oh no. I hate it.”

“You have to be careful with this stuff. You can’t write an autobiography about all the cups of coffee you drank, or all the times you’ve used the toilet. It has to be something that’s happened between three and ten times.”

“Not about something that happened twice?”

“No. It might just be a coincidence.”

“Not about something that happened once?”

“Maybe I’m wrong.”

“Maybe you’re not.”

“Whenever I tell people about this, I use the example that I’ve eaten a cinnamon bun thirty-two times in my life.”

“How many times have you told people that you’ve eaten a cinnamon bun thirty-two times?”

“Uh, nine.”

“You could write a complete and thorough autobiography about the nine times you told someone you’ve eaten a cinnamon bun thirty-two times.”

“I’m going to have a stroke if I think about that.”

Re: 'Super memory': Why Emily Nash is sharing her brain with science

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I'm curious how this relates to neurodivergent/ADHD/autistic learning where someone has weak rote-memorization skills and mainly remembers things as a fractal of associations. For me, I can't remember that I have an appointment tomorrow, but if you ask me how computers work, I'll start with explaining electron orbitals and band gaps, doping, masking, VLSI, assembly language, C, functional programming and where AI is…

> It would be easier for me to design spaceships than manage my bills, but I seem to be relegated to doing chores for the rest of my life and dying penniless.

What a drag!

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