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Vasopressin deficiency: driver of social impairment and fluid imbalance in ASD? [pdf]

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Post by Solvency »

loceng wrote: post #63
c0pium wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would require us as a society to develop concrete solutions to determining who can be trusted. That’s obviously impossible, so we’re stuck with the process we have.

It's actually the individual's responsibility to develop an understanding of how one determines what is trustworthy and what isn't trustworthy, and they they do their best to develop that. For example, if someone lies, they are caught lying, the evidence is presented but a person doesn't care or put any weight on that someone lied - well, they are going to rank that person or an organization they are running or still…

you mean like the "science" and "experts" paid off by the sugar industry to promote sugar for 50 years while demonizing fat?

Re: Vasopressin deficiency: driver of social impairment and fluid imbalance in ASD? [pdf]

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Post by notrealyme123 »

michaelrpeskin wrote: post #58
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #2

Doing quick search, there is also interactions between Vasopressin and salt and blood pressure. Could ASD be helped by reducing salt? or increasing salt? I'm not knowledgeable enough to untangle all of the studies where these terms are also used, which I guess is part of the problem this paper is pointing out, that the terminology/naming is confusing. Is this saying if you have blood pressure problems you might also…

> Could ASD be helped by reducing salt? or increasing salt? Personal story here (N=1, not claiming anything other than that). My dad is clearly ASD, and has battled high blood pressure for as long as I can remember. He's now suffering the consequences of 40 years of absolute salt avoidance. 1) I never saw and reduction in the ASD over the past 40 years, 2) lack of salt never changed his blood pressure, and 3) now he'…

His BP could be worse with salt.

Re: Vasopressin deficiency: driver of social impairment and fluid imbalance in ASD? [pdf]

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Post by naasking »

hilux wrote: post #75
naasking wrote: post #67

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Avoiding table salt thoroughly could potentially lead to iodine deficiency. It was somewhat common in the past so most table salt over the past century has had iodine added to it to avoid this, but it's cropping back up a bit as people avoid salt or prefer to use "natural rock salts" common in fine cuisine, which are not reinforced with iodine.

Iodine is in a lot of foods.

If it were common enough in available foods then they wouldn't have added it to table salt.

Re: Vasopressin deficiency: driver of social impairment and fluid imbalance in ASD? [pdf]

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Post by hilux »

naasking wrote: post #83
hilux wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iodine is in a lot of foods.

If it were common enough in available foods then they wouldn't have added it to table salt.

IIRC this was added long ago, when Americans ate less meat, dairy, and seafood and were more prone to malnutrition.

Re: Vasopressin deficiency: driver of social impairment and fluid imbalance in ASD? [pdf]

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Post by waihtis »

callalex wrote: post #50
mchannon wrote: post #8

I’ve theorized in my book _Fat Gas_ that vasopressin levels are tied to elevated indoor CO2 levels. Would not be at all surprised if these novel social conditions stem from not going outside enough and from poorly ventilated buildings (especially gyms and conference rooms) and transport (planes trains and automobiles each routinely exceed 1000 ppm from everybody’s lungs).

My nephew is on the spectrum (fairly severely). His mother and father are obsessed with air quality and used filtration and forced ERVs for the entire pregnancy and upbringing. Please do not make such strong medical claims without any scientific backing, it is quite harmful to kids with autism and their parents who are already overwhelmed with quackery.

the guy wrote a book on it. so far his evidence far exceeds yours, which is none.

Re: Vasopressin deficiency: driver of social impairment and fluid imbalance in ASD? [pdf]

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Post by naasking »

hilux wrote: post #84
naasking wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it were common enough in available foods then they wouldn't have added it to table salt.

IIRC this was added long ago, when Americans ate less meat, dairy, and seafood and were more prone to malnutrition.

And yet, levels have been measurably going down, and Europeans are already fairly deficient since they don't have as many iodine supplementation programs:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9459956/

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/iodine.htm

Re: Vasopressin deficiency: driver of social impairment and fluid imbalance in ASD? [pdf]

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Post by t888 »

naasking wrote: post #68
Cheer2171 wrote: post #45

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When left handedness was seen as a disorder and students who used their left hand were beaten, rates of this disorder were a few percent. When the idea of left handedness became mainstream, rates skyrocketed and we know the base rate is about 10%. Homosexuality was considered a disorder in the DSM until 1974. Self-reported rates of homosexuality have skyrocketed since then. Most likely explanation is that the true ba…

You think . Let's be clear about what's a hypothesis vs. a confirmed fact.

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Re: Vasopressin deficiency: driver of social impairment and fluid imbalance in ASD? [pdf]

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Post by atahanacar »

waihtis wrote: post #85
callalex wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My nephew is on the spectrum (fairly severely). His mother and father are obsessed with air quality and used filtration and forced ERVs for the entire pregnancy and upbringing. Please do not make such strong medical claims without any scientific backing, it is quite harmful to kids with autism and their parents who are already overwhelmed with quackery.

the guy wrote a book on it. so far his evidence far exceeds yours, which is none.

I can write a book on anything and still have no evidence or idea what I'm talking about.

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

hilux wrote: post #74
rafaelero wrote: post #72

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Improbable since reducing added fats is still as good advice today as it was 5 decades ago.

Exactly right. Reducing dietary fats is "as good" advice as it was or ever will be.

I'm sure you are responding with good intentions, that some 'healthy' fats are needed in a healthy diet.

The demonization of fat is wrong.

But Also

Eating 5lbs of Ribs every day and weighing 300 lbs is not healthy.

Same with salt.

The 'healthy' amount of salt is a U curve. You can have too little, and too much.

It's just in the typical American diet, there is so much Fat and so much Salt, that most people area already at the extreme of the U curve and should probably start cutting back.

Re: Vasopressin deficiency: driver of social impairment and fluid imbalance in ASD? [pdf]

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Post by robotrIP »

grumpy-de-sre wrote: post #64

Now that's some serendipitous reading. I've been on the hunt for possible mechanisms (for further study) as to why last year after trying an SSRI (escitalopram), to treat an anxiety disorder co-morbid to my ASD, that I ended up in the hospital in a hypertensive crisis. Was an all around terrible experience and I hope one day I can figure out WTF happened to me. Interestingly the BP rise seemed to be mostly diastolic…

ive been doing my own research for similar reasons (zoloft in my case), although i fortunately did not end up in a hospital. my girlfriend works with autistic children and swears i have ASD but I havent gotten around to being officially diagnosed, nor am i fully convinced of her claim. if you dont mind sharing, what genome sequencing service did you use? granted i havent looked too far but a lot of services i saw were kinda sketchy. hope u find the answers u seek :)
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