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Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by neodymiumphish »

pathartl wrote: post #128
farawayea wrote: post #75

This is the same company which puts ads all over the OS, can't stop trying to upsell people into using onedrive, forcefully signs you into onedrive, syncs your local files into their cloud without consent, tries really hard to not let you sign in with a local account and most likely does other shady things. Their hardware is more or less garbage. My Surface had a swollen battery which killed the device. It had other…

Honestly, I find this to be such a weird argument. Apple does the same crap with iCloud and people put their hardware on a pedestal when it has the same inherent flaws, often for a much higher price. And maybe you share this opinion, I just want to point out that this hardware from MS is relatively benign in the grand scheme of the PC world.

Completely agree that Apple does the exact same stuff with account management and iCloud notifications, but I don’t understand where these arguments keep coming from that Apple is more costly.

The 13.5 sLaptop 6 for Business is, i5/8gb/256gb is $1200

Compare that the 14” MBP (M3/8gb/512gb) for $1600. The diff in SSD storage offsets some of the cost, but not the whole $400

However, the 13” MacBook Air with the same specs (although a much better CPU) - M3/8gb/256gb is actually $100 cheaper.

Until someone builds an actual M3 competitor, Apple’s making better laptops for cheaper.

I have an M1 16” MBP that’s still running laps around any other laptop I’ve ever owned, including the 15” sBook 2 with a 1060. The Windows Arm laptop I have sucks compared to the M-series.

Anyway, totally agree that Apple does the same cross-sell garbage as Microsoft, just think it’s way off to argue that their hardware is more expensive, at least meaningfully so when you compare the performance, longevity, and battery life.

Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by wiseowise »

runjake wrote: post #111
farawayea wrote: post #75

This is the same company which puts ads all over the OS, can't stop trying to upsell people into using onedrive, forcefully signs you into onedrive, syncs your local files into their cloud without consent, tries really hard to not let you sign in with a local account and most likely does other shady things. Their hardware is more or less garbage. My Surface had a swollen battery which killed the device. It had other…

It’s interesting that everything you just listed also applies to Apple — not that they’re the only alternative here. I guess I should feel fortunate that for Apple, at least the ads are limited to its own range of products. We have a bunch of Surface products deployed at work and those people seem to love them. I can’t think of any high-rate failures affecting them. Edit: Wow, I guess we have a lot of angry Apple fan…

Apple hardware is not garbage, to start with.

Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by codeulike »

AraceliHarker wrote: post #37

The so-called "AI PC" is nothing more than a marketing gimmick. It has no new features, just a Copilot button on the keyboard and the same background editing function for web conferences that has been available for a long time.

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/introducing-neural-pr...

DirectML is a low-level API that provides a common abstraction layer for hardware vendors to expose their machine learning accelerators. DirectML works with any DirectX 12-compatible device including GPUs and now NPUs. Support for Intel Core Ultra processors with Intel AI Boost was developed in close collaboration with Intel.

Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by olyjohn »

exitzer0 wrote: post #113
RajT88 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have had a few surfaces for work. They are actually really nice hardware, but the Surface Book had one design flaw, which would periodically disconnect USB headsets. That was my only real complaint. I would say the comparison to Macbooks is fair.

the special firmware that microsoft uses in these machines breaks network, USB, anything that you attach to it. it just can't get power management right. I've been saddled with one of these for 5+ years and it just never got better.

Maybe they used to be better. I love my Surface Pro 2. Paired up with Linux, it's a kick ass little machine.

Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by vizzier »

charlie0 wrote: post #129
farawayea wrote: post #75

This is the same company which puts ads all over the OS, can't stop trying to upsell people into using onedrive, forcefully signs you into onedrive, syncs your local files into their cloud without consent, tries really hard to not let you sign in with a local account and most likely does other shady things. Their hardware is more or less garbage. My Surface had a swollen battery which killed the device. It had other…

I'm glad I moved over to Mac. I know it's not perfect, but it's much better than Windows. They seem determined to lose customers. I really like the concept of the Surface Book and got one several years ago. The keyboard no longer works when detaching the screen, so it's practically useless. Even a full reinstall didn't fix that issue. Their new hardware is moot because ARM is just on a different level. Yeah, they can…

> ...can't stop trying to upsell people into using onedrive, forcefully signs you into onedrive, syncs your local files into their cloud without consent, tries really hard to not let you sign in with a local account and most likely does other shady things.

This portion of the complaint was a playbook that was defined by Apple and icloud. Feels like an out of the frying pan into the fire situation.

Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by vizzier »

wiseowise wrote: post #130
pathartl wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I find this to be such a weird argument. Apple does the same crap with iCloud and people put their hardware on a pedestal when it has the same inherent flaws, often for a much higher price. And maybe you share this opinion, I just want to point out that this hardware from MS is relatively benign in the grand scheme of the PC world.

I never seen any iCloud “ad” outside of iCloud settings item. On windows I literally get annoying notification to use OneDrive.

That is because apple doesn't ask you, it just turns it on. If you don't accept changes to their terms of service (As I haven't) you'd get these notifications fairly regularly.

Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by giancarlostoro »

GiorgioG wrote: post #97
giancarlostoro wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, although, having owned a Surface Book 2, and being a .NET developer, the only Windows sytems I'll have in my home will probably be Microsofts own, unless someone makes laptops that are as nice, for half the cost. Things just work on my SB2. The only reason I'll buy a new one is if it either dies, or I see a really good deal. I've had it since 2017 iirc and its been pretty great thus far. My next laptop will lik…

Try https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/ I recently used it on a 2014 5k iMac to install Sonoma (14.3) and it's been flawless in my experience - everything is buttery smooth as you'd expect. I also installed on a 2015 Macbook (12"...horrible Intel mobile processor.) It works, but the CPU is just too underpowered to do basic stuff like web browsing and messaging...if you're impatient like me anyway ;)

I did see that, but I heard someone suggest that it might not be the best idea since your OS could become unstable. At some point I may just consider installing Linux on that Macbook, but not before replacing it, since my wife would be upset if she was stuck with Linux. She prefers to just use macOS.

Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by ksec »

farawayea wrote: post #75

This is the same company which puts ads all over the OS, can't stop trying to upsell people into using onedrive, forcefully signs you into onedrive, syncs your local files into their cloud without consent, tries really hard to not let you sign in with a local account and most likely does other shady things. Their hardware is more or less garbage. My Surface had a swollen battery which killed the device. It had other…

>Their hardware is more or less garbage. My Surface had a swollen battery which killed the device.

Macbook has swollen battery issue as well.

Microsoft Hardware is more or less the best on the PC market. The only company that spend R&D money from I/O, Speaker, Keyboard, Trackpad etc to try and match Apple MacBook if not exceed it. And a lot of these innovation or improvements gets filtered through to other PC OEM over the years.

You can shit about Microsoft software all you want. But in terms of PC Laptop market, they have done far more than most of the other companies. Had Pro Gaming / Pro Sumer Laptop not been a thing most other laptop manufacture would continue to milk and sell absolute garbage a la HP or Dell not a long time ago.

Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by charlie0 »

vizzier wrote: post #136
charlie0 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad I moved over to Mac. I know it's not perfect, but it's much better than Windows. They seem determined to lose customers. I really like the concept of the Surface Book and got one several years ago. The keyboard no longer works when detaching the screen, so it's practically useless. Even a full reinstall didn't fix that issue. Their new hardware is moot because ARM is just on a different level. Yeah, they can…

> ...can't stop trying to upsell people into using onedrive, forcefully signs you into onedrive, syncs your local files into their cloud without consent, tries really hard to not let you sign in with a local account and most likely does other shady things. This portion of the complaint was a playbook that was defined by Apple and icloud. Feels like an out of the frying pan into the fire situation.

You can use Mac without icloud. They don't push it nearly as hard as Windows.
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