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Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by kd913 »

orev wrote: post #28
kd913 wrote: post #11

Yawn, what is this ad driven nonsense, just give us a spec sheet. Who really wants to scroll through 5 pages of marketing drivel to get the details. >From a performance perspective, Surface Laptop 6 is 2x faster than Laptop 52, and Surface Pro 10 is up to 53% faster than Pro 9. The competition here is macbook and ipad, not last years stuff. Why do the surface people keep hamstringing themselves with intel? I am confu…

> The competition here is macbook and ipad, not last years stuff. No, it absolutely is not. Windows software (the vast majority that’s used in businesses) needs to run on Windows, and nobody is doing real work on an iPad. > Why do the surface people keep hamstringing themselves with intel? Because no viable ARM options exist in the Windows world. Windows on ARM is improving and somewhat workable for simple things, bu…

They didn't even give a battery life figure over here. That tells volumes at how good this device is.

Apple front and center on all-day, 18 hour battery life.

>No, it absolutely is not. Windows software (the vast majority that’s used in businesses) needs to run on Windows, and nobody is doing real work on an iPad.

We don't live in the same world as the past, connectivity is king and the heavy lifting can and should be done elsewhere. If someone needs to do heavy lifting on windows, they wouldn't go with this glued mess.

If they want cheap with discounts, this would probably fail compared with HP, Dell or Thinkpad.

Who is this product for?

Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by kd913 »

jiggawatts wrote: post #22
kd913 wrote: post #11

Yawn, what is this ad driven nonsense, just give us a spec sheet. Who really wants to scroll through 5 pages of marketing drivel to get the details. >From a performance perspective, Surface Laptop 6 is 2x faster than Laptop 52, and Surface Pro 10 is up to 53% faster than Pro 9. The competition here is macbook and ipad, not last years stuff. Why do the surface people keep hamstringing themselves with intel? I am confu…

Specs: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/d/surface-laptop-6-for-busin... They're using Intel because there's no other option for a Microsoft product running Windows. Also, Intel is rapidly catching up to TSMC in the lithography race, and will leapfrog them very soon, likely by the end of this year. The top-end model uses the Intel Core Ultra 7 165H, which is this thing: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/…

Why would anyone be doing this on their glued in laptop? If they are needing a dev machine, are you really trying to argue this is better than the mbp, thinkpads, hps or dells?

You are claiming performance figures at what 115W max turbo? What is the max consumption on the macbook 55W on CPU, 33W on GPU?

If performance matters, they should be doing the heavy lifting remotely.

Most people will be using single threaded performance, and the key metric here for this product is what is the battery life. They didn't even give a figure for that which speaks volumes.

They didn't even bring up the pen which is the main selling point of this product (i.e. ipad pro but for Windows).

Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by [deleted] »

greenknight wrote: post #13
kd913 wrote: post #11

Yawn, what is this ad driven nonsense, just give us a spec sheet. Who really wants to scroll through 5 pages of marketing drivel to get the details. >From a performance perspective, Surface Laptop 6 is 2x faster than Laptop 52, and Surface Pro 10 is up to 53% faster than Pro 9. The competition here is macbook and ipad, not last years stuff. Why do the surface people keep hamstringing themselves with intel? I am confu…

> Why do the surface people keep hamstringing themselves with intel? I am confused to what shady backroom deal is going on but it seems rather pointless for both parties. Probably massive kickbacks or massive discounts. Just remember, Intel put out this graphic when Zen was just released -- https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Intel-vs...

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Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by hnburnsy »

jahlove wrote: post #21

Bought a Surface Pro in 2013. After a few years the battery stopped charging. It is for all intents impossible to replace. Now I buy Thinkpads.

For what it is worth...

>Most newer Surface devices are designed to facilitate the repair or replacement of primary components like the solid-state drive (SSD), keyboard, or display. With the purchase of a new commercial Surface for Business device, you can maximize your investment with services and repair1 options.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/surface-service-an...

Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by 8K832d7tNmiQ »

jahlove wrote: post #21

Bought a Surface Pro in 2013. After a few years the battery stopped charging. It is for all intents impossible to replace. Now I buy Thinkpads.

To be fair, the Surface we know for its 0/10 repairability 10 years ago is vastly different compared to today.

Heck, they even post an official repair guide as far as Surface Pro 7+ on Youtube[0].

[0]:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNA-j_cL4mURqC1MFKHV-...

Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by e44858 »

underlogic wrote: post #38
e44858 wrote: post #32

Tablet CPU is Intel Core Ultra 7 165U, which should perform similar to an M1 Pro: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5825vs4584/Intel-Ultra-...

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Has great linux support though:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/intel_graphics

"Since Intel provides and supports open source drivers, Intel graphics are essentially plug-and-play."

Apple silicon does not officially support Linux, it depends entirely on volunteers reverse engineering things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi_Linux

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