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Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by jiggawatts »

kd913 wrote: post #11

Yawn, what is this ad driven nonsense, just give us a spec sheet. Who really wants to scroll through 5 pages of marketing drivel to get the details. >From a performance perspective, Surface Laptop 6 is 2x faster than Laptop 52, and Surface Pro 10 is up to 53% faster than Pro 9. The competition here is macbook and ipad, not last years stuff. Why do the surface people keep hamstringing themselves with intel? I am confu…

Specs: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/d/surface-laptop-6-for-busin...

They're using Intel because there's no other option for a Microsoft product running Windows.

Also, Intel is rapidly catching up to TSMC in the lithography race, and will leapfrog them very soon, likely by the end of this year.

The top-end model uses the Intel Core Ultra 7 165H, which is this thing: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/236851/...

It has 6 performance and 8 efficiency cores, with the peak frequency as high as 5 Ghz.

It's hard to get an apples-to-apples comparison because benchmarks are sensitive to instruction sets, available compilers, etc... but this CPU is definitely competitive with the Apple M3. E.g.:

Apple M3 scores 18,947: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Apple+M3+8+Core&id=...

Intel 165H scores 30,596: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+Ultra+7+...

The Intel laptop is 60% faster for multi-threaded workloads, but it is 19% slower for single-threaded performance.

PS: The Intel laptop comes with up to 64 GB of memory and it can build and run x86 Docker images natively. If you're a developer, it's the far more attractive option...

Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by hypercube33 »

kd913 wrote: post #11

Yawn, what is this ad driven nonsense, just give us a spec sheet. Who really wants to scroll through 5 pages of marketing drivel to get the details. >From a performance perspective, Surface Laptop 6 is 2x faster than Laptop 52, and Surface Pro 10 is up to 53% faster than Pro 9. The competition here is macbook and ipad, not last years stuff. Why do the surface people keep hamstringing themselves with intel? I am confu…

I'm deeply disappointed there is no longer an AMD surface laptop with one of the custom designs pushing for a mobile Xbox level of GPU (no ray tracing) just so we can do business and light gaming or video or 3d modeling or whatever when you plug in even. AMD has some wild igpu designs in low power envelopes so I'm baffled that Microsoft just bailed on the line. I have a surface laptop 4 13in AMD model and love it but it only was worth it on sale really.

Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by [deleted] »

kd913 wrote: post #11

Yawn, what is this ad driven nonsense, just give us a spec sheet. Who really wants to scroll through 5 pages of marketing drivel to get the details. >From a performance perspective, Surface Laptop 6 is 2x faster than Laptop 52, and Surface Pro 10 is up to 53% faster than Pro 9. The competition here is macbook and ipad, not last years stuff. Why do the surface people keep hamstringing themselves with intel? I am confu…

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Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by bitwize »

dboreham wrote: post #14
greenknight wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why do the surface people keep hamstringing themselves with intel? I am confused to what shady backroom deal is going on but it seems rather pointless for both parties. Probably massive kickbacks or massive discounts. Just remember, Intel put out this graphic when Zen was just released -- https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Intel-vs...

They make ARM surfaces.

Yeah... shitty ones. Microsoft just doesn't have the will to make top-performing mobile gear.

Or the oxygen in that space has been sucked out by Apple.

Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by orev »

kd913 wrote: post #11

Yawn, what is this ad driven nonsense, just give us a spec sheet. Who really wants to scroll through 5 pages of marketing drivel to get the details. >From a performance perspective, Surface Laptop 6 is 2x faster than Laptop 52, and Surface Pro 10 is up to 53% faster than Pro 9. The competition here is macbook and ipad, not last years stuff. Why do the surface people keep hamstringing themselves with intel? I am confu…

> The competition here is macbook and ipad, not last years stuff.

No, it absolutely is not. Windows software (the vast majority that’s used in businesses) needs to run on Windows, and nobody is doing real work on an iPad.

> Why do the surface people keep hamstringing themselves with intel?

Because no viable ARM options exist in the Windows world. Windows on ARM is improving and somewhat workable for simple things, but it’s not ready for heavyweight things (like virtual machines, a lot of development tasks, device drivers, etc).

Performance per watt isn’t the most important thing for many people. It’s pretty rare to need 12 hour battery life when you’ll never have access to a power outlet. More efficiency is nice, but it’s not a dealbreaker.

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