Earlier quoted context omitted.
of course we're wrong, we can easily prove that enslaving and exploiting them is a bad thing. we know animals are capable of suffering and we know animals do suffer in the conditions we create for them, it's as simple as that.
Why does it matter that they are capable of suffering? This is a serious question. When it comes to morality invariably when you dig down deep enough, all of it is based on human made assumptions. That doesn't invalidate discussions about morality, we just have to be aware that it is built on a subjective foundation. And for the record, I personally suggest a vegan lifestyle, because I believe exploiting animals is m…
Parrots love playing tablet games. That's helping researchers understand them
141–150 of 168 posts
Re: Parrots love playing tablet games. That's helping researchers understand them
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
We can't prove or disprove that enslaving and exploiting animals is a bad thing. As a society we currently answer that with .. take a look at your supermarket. What if we are wrong?
Most animals in the wild live very tough, short lives and have high likelihood that they be killed and eaten by predators, so they live every second of their lives in fear. I am not convinced that when animals are grown by humans in appropriate conditions (i.e. not overcrowded sausage factories), given all the food they need and able to "enjoy" (this is a human emotion, but perhaps they have an analogous "feeling" wh…
Re: Parrots love playing tablet games. That's helping researchers understand them
#143> Last year, the team showed a group of parrots how to video call one another, finding that the birds both overwhelmingly enjoyed the activity and could make the calls themselves, when given the option. My heart! There's a separate article dedicated to it: https://news.northeastern.edu/2023/04/21/parrots-talking-vid...
Re: Parrots love playing tablet games. That's helping researchers understand them
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is the upside?
They’re pretty fun and super affectionate! It’s like having a little curious buddy who wants to do everything with you, learns your routine, communicates what’s on their mind, always warns you of scary things and sounds, viciously attacks anything or anyone they think might be a danger to you, and absolutely holds a grudge if you do something upsetting. And they’re smart enough to remember people for many years and l…
Re: Parrots love playing tablet games. That's helping researchers understand them
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its not a strong argument. Denying nature is what we do constantly. We teach our children to shit in a bowl that flushes water instead of shitting on the ground, we teach them to delay their gratification s, we tell them not to use violence, we teach them to ask for consent. All unnatural things to do. Are you saying these are not wise things to do?
Nature is adaptation for survival. I think you're mixing up "the old ways" with "naturally beneficial ways". Your chances of survival and reproduction are much higher with access to modern toilets, delayed gratification, no unnecessary violence, and due to society asking for consent. It's perfectly natural.
Re: Parrots love playing tablet games. That's helping researchers understand them
#146Made me think of this video where a parrot is watching YouTube videos it likes, changing to different ones, and seeming angry when ads (or the owner lol) interrupt its video-watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZSNhJcKFf4
Buy this parrot YouTube Premium! I don't know the exact species of parrot this is, but if it has a lifespan of 25 years, a 1 minute ad is like a 4 minute ad for them. Just imagine sitting through that!
Re: Parrots love playing tablet games. That's helping researchers understand them
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
of course we're wrong, we can easily prove that enslaving and exploiting them is a bad thing. we know animals are capable of suffering and we know animals do suffer in the conditions we create for them, it's as simple as that.
To "prove" is to derive from a set of consistent axioms. There is no set of universally agreed axioms for badness and in fact the vast majority of people do not even have a consistent set of moral beliefs. Simply changing how you phrase a question can get very different answers (e.g. "conscription" vs "murder slavery" vs "making people defend the country that defends them").
Re: Parrots love playing tablet games. That's helping researchers understand them
#148"Seventeen completed the study; three dropped out after showing slight signs of aggression or a lack of interest during the training period. " Avian rage-quitting? So it's not just humans... I feel better now.
And we do mourn the loss of the research assistants.
Re: Parrots love playing tablet games. That's helping researchers understand them
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
> humans are still the smartest animal on earth obviously I think this is correct but not obvious. It could be we (I am assuming you are also human :) are just the most ambitious.
https://archive.org/details/mobot31753002909064/page/84/mode... (1658) > Loqui vero eos easque posse, Iavani aiunt, sed non velle, ne ad labores cogerentur : ridicule me hercules. "Indeed, the Javanese say that [the Orang-utans] are able to speak to them, but they do not want to, lest they should be forced to labor (pull the other one it's got bells on)"
Re: Parrots love playing tablet games. That's helping researchers understand them
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most animals in the wild live very tough, short lives and have high likelihood that they be killed and eaten by predators, so they live every second of their lives in fear. I am not convinced that when animals are grown by humans in appropriate conditions (i.e. not overcrowded sausage factories), given all the food they need and able to "enjoy" (this is a human emotion, but perhaps they have an analogous "feeling" wh…
predators hunt, humans farm
The evidence is that most of our existence we hunted and gathered nomadically.
[1] https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/developmen...