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Paris preserves its mixed society by pouring billions into public housing

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

bombcar wrote: post #501
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #191

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High density is what enables mass rail transportation, which is much more efficient than personal vehicles.

Mass rail is most efficient when it's full. https://afdc.energy.gov/conserve/public_transportation.html - a full car gets amazingly close to a average train (USA). And this is seen in that trains are most common where they can be mostly full. What's scary about that is how quickly busses just get outclassed - they have to be as big as their biggest loads, but they're usually empty.

How often do you see a full car? Average vehicle occupancy is 1.67, and has been for years.

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Post by mlrtime »

enaaem wrote: post #517
rTX5CMRXIfFG wrote: post #106

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> build taller As someone who lives in an area with plenty of high-density residential buildings, I can attest that this is a perfect recipe for creating congested cities with such intense light and noise pollution.

Cities aren’t loud. Cars are.

Cars are very loud, Cities are still loud with 0 cars.

Source: Manhattan, NYC

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Post by bedobi »

robertlagrant wrote: post #509
bedobi wrote: post #416

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I mean, OK, you could say the same about literally every public expenditure? I'm passionately opposed to private automobiles and the fact that my tax money goes to subsidizing them (including stupid road upkeep etc) unfortunately I don't get to choose not to pay for that (but I can choose to live in a place like Paris where the Mayor is taking active steps to support not only private automobiles but give equal import…

If you want emergency services vehicles to be able to access and help at any location, you want roads. That's what you're paying for.

Yeah because you ardent motorists care so much about emergency vehicle access right?

I don't have a problem with roads, I have a problem with roads being gridlocked and destroyed by single occupancy private automobiles and the resulting unnecessary deaths and road upkeep.

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Post by mlrtime »

brailsafe wrote: post #505
bluefirebrand wrote: post #164

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More people in a smaller area? Congestion doesn't just refer to car traffic Edit: think about crowded grocery stores and restaurants. Think community spaces like parks and libraries being packed all the time. Think about never being able to stop and get a coffee without waiting in a long line. Congestion

This seems like a fundamentally suburban perspective, and I don't mean that to be an insult, it's just what all of my small home town family members and friends think, and it overwhelmingly and ironically relates to the real traffic congestion they actually experience coupled with the hypothetical imagined congestion they pre-emptively avoid exposure to by driving instead of getting on the train. Not that there's _no…

>Tokyo is simultaneously the most populated city on earth and one of the most quiet, clean, and least congested places I've visited.

Sorry, no this is culture. The same virtues exist in Japanese suburbs, nothing to do with a city.

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Post by bedobi »

robertlagrant wrote: post #511
bedobi wrote: post #420

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there is no job on this planet that isn't subsidized by taxes how do people show up to work at Google, Apple etc? through everything from "not dying from preventably disease in adolescence" to "being educated in public schools" to "being carried to work on roads and transit paid for by the public"

> there is no job on this planet that isn't subsidized by taxes As in if I am a private plumber who does jobs for people, my job is subsidised by taxes?

Yes. Who do you think laid the infrastructure for people to get water and sewers in the first place?

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Post by scott_w »

circlefavshape wrote: post #343
circlefavshape wrote: post #328

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A 155lb human burns 177kcal when walking at 2.5mph[1], so that's 71kcal per mile There are 340kcal in 100g of wholemeal wheat flour[2], so walking one mile takes around 21g of wheat Wheat flour creates carbon emissions of 0.80 kg CO₂e/kg [3], so walking one mile creates carbon emissions of 170 g CO₂e Driving a vehicle powered by gasoline produces tailpipe emissions of around 400g per mile [4] [1] https://www.healthli…

However if the calories from your walk come from beef ... 100g of beef gives you 217 kcal [1], so you need 33g of beef for your walk Carbon cost for beef is 99.48 kg CO₂e/kg [2] So walking one mile fueled by beef creates ~3.3kg of carbon emissions, over 8 times what would be emitted if you drove [1] https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/foods/beef#nutrition [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1201677/greenhouse-ga…

Except the only people who eat that much beef are certainly not walking anywhere so it’s a fun “statistic” that has no basis in reality.

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Post by Hamuko »

mpweiher wrote: post #363
Aromasin wrote: post #320

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The same is happening in the UK. They've made car travel harder without making public transport any better (outside of London), which has just lowered the average person's productivity rather than making any headway into tackling the core issue of people getting from A to B quicker, cheaper, with less pollution. They put in some heavy traffic restrictions in my local city of Oxford by closing off residential roads, f…

> [car travel harder without making public transport better] Erm aren't you forgetting something? London just quadrupled its bicycle network. That seems like a massive improvement to me. When I lived there, biking was...let's be kind and say "less than ideal". Last time I visited I was amazed by the improvement, with protected two-way bike lanes right on the Thames and much more. https://momentummag.com/london-just-q…

Since when have bicycles been public transport?

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Post by Zamiel_Snawley »

twelve40 wrote: post #500
harimau777 wrote: post #462

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How do people deal with being sweaty at work? Do offices generally have showers?

they don't; it's just not practical. You have to be relatively fit and energetic to do it every day, have no chores like kids pickup, have extra time on your hands, the weather has to be perfect - no rain or god forbid snow. This only works for a particular segment of working people out there.

The Dutch beg to differ[0].

Over a third of Dutch people cycle as their most frequent mode of transport. Over a quarter of all trips are on a bike. 49% of primary school students and 75% of secondary school students cycle to school.

Cycling has been a national priority for the Dutch, like the automobile has a been a priority for much of the rest of the developed world.

With e-bikes, fitness and terrain are less relevant than ever. Unsafe(car dominated) bike routes are the number one obstacle to increased cycling.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycling_in_the_Netherlands

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Post by bombcar »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #521
bombcar wrote: post #501

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Mass rail is most efficient when it's full. https://afdc.energy.gov/conserve/public_transportation.html - a full car gets amazingly close to a average train (USA). And this is seen in that trains are most common where they can be mostly full. What's scary about that is how quickly busses just get outclassed - they have to be as big as their biggest loads, but they're usually empty.

How often do you see a full car? Average vehicle occupancy is 1.67, and has been for years.

Quite often! But usually in the mirror/kid cam, because I'm driving the family somewhere.

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Post by bouzouk »

twelve40 wrote: post #500
harimau777 wrote: post #462

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How do people deal with being sweaty at work? Do offices generally have showers?

they don't; it's just not practical. You have to be relatively fit and energetic to do it every day, have no chores like kids pickup, have extra time on your hands, the weather has to be perfect - no rain or god forbid snow. This only works for a particular segment of working people out there.

I live in Paris, I have 2 small kids, and I don't have much time on my hands (founder). I go to work (5km) by bike every day, whether it rains, snows, or worse ;)
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