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First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Post by b3lvedere »

shadowgovt wrote: post #62
b3lvedere wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Must be nice for some people to legally hide behind words. "Yes, your honor. We did build this thing that some may define as a bomb capable of destroying the entire planet, but our intention was just to build a big power source. We are very much against illegal use."

I'm not sure we can draw a fair analogy between the nuclear arms race and software piracy. Not unless we're starting from a premise that every law is equally just and righteous. Cui bono in Nintendo having the right to tell the world that nobody is allowed to build machines that interoperate with theirs, even after they've sold their machine?

"I'm not sure we can draw a fair analogy between the nuclear arms race and software piracy."

Of course not. It was just a joke. :)

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Post by jrockway »

tempoponet wrote: post #4
speps wrote: post #2

The key bit: > Unlike Yuzu, the Suyu team does things differently in regards to Nintendo Switch emulation than their predecessors. Whereas Yuzu only required prod.keys, Suyu will also require you to dump your title.keys and firmware from a hacked Switch to run games. The devs also clarified that they are doing this for nonprofit (there's no Patreon) and do not condone piracy. We'll see how long it lasts...

One argument I heard for the Yuzu settlement was to avoid discovery. There's speculation that Nintendo had the goods on them, and that discovery would expose them to more than the civil penalties they were facing. Nintendo has never been friendly to emulation, or most fan content in general, but there are protections for fair-use and this team appears to be building their work behind those, rather than playing fast a…

How come Satoshi Nakamoto can remain anonymous in spite of his worth in the billions of dollars, but emulator developers, worth almost nothing, can't hide from Nintendo? Opsec mistakes, or just no opsec at all?

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Post by jrockway »

testudovictoria wrote: post #56
tempoponet wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One argument I heard for the Yuzu settlement was to avoid discovery. There's speculation that Nintendo had the goods on them, and that discovery would expose them to more than the civil penalties they were facing. Nintendo has never been friendly to emulation, or most fan content in general, but there are protections for fair-use and this team appears to be building their work behind those, rather than playing fast a…

There are fair-use protections, but it costs money to defend. Part of why so many Smash tournaments folded in 2022 was because of Nintendo telling people they weren't allowed to host tourneys using their IP. Granted I'm not a lawyer, but people gathering to play a multiplayer game and then streaming the matches doesn't inherently constitute any infringement on Nintendo's rights or ability to make money. Many TOs (tou…

These are just easy pickings for Nintendo to bully. When they go after Twitch is when the real case law will be made.

I honestly think game streaming is a grey area that could easily be made illegal by the wrong company getting sued for it.

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Post by exitb »

jrockway wrote: post #72
tempoponet wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One argument I heard for the Yuzu settlement was to avoid discovery. There's speculation that Nintendo had the goods on them, and that discovery would expose them to more than the civil penalties they were facing. Nintendo has never been friendly to emulation, or most fan content in general, but there are protections for fair-use and this team appears to be building their work behind those, rather than playing fast a…

How come Satoshi Nakamoto can remain anonymous in spite of his worth in the billions of dollars, but emulator developers, worth almost nothing, can't hide from Nintendo? Opsec mistakes, or just no opsec at all?

There are tons of people involved in piracy that stay anonymous. It seems like they chose not to.

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Post by tentacleuno »

m_rpn wrote: post #55
burrish wrote: post #38

What's the big fuss when we still have Ryujinx ?

I'm sure nobody mentions it because of the fear that the mighty Nintendo might discover us Ryujinx rebels.

If 5 minutes of online research yields Ryujinx, I'd say it's a fairly safe bet that Nintendo are already very aware of its presence.

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Post by burrish »

tentacleuno wrote: post #76
m_rpn wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure nobody mentions it because of the fear that the mighty Nintendo might discover us Ryujinx rebels.

If 5 minutes of online research yields Ryujinx, I'd say it's a fairly safe bet that Nintendo are already very aware of its presence.

Yeah I think with 31k stars on github, youtube videos reaching hundreds of views..

I think it's safe to assume Nintendo knows about Ryujinx haha

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Post by burrish »

tombert wrote: post #52
burrish wrote: post #38

What's the big fuss when we still have Ryujinx ?

I think the fear is that this is only the beginning. Nintendo successfully killed one emulator, why would they stop there? Nintendo certainly knows about Ryujinx and is patiently waiting for them to screw up anything legally so they can bring them down next.

Yeah I still think Ryujinx should be safe for a bit since they don't monetize the emulator as much as Suzu did, who knows, Nintendo Lawyers are ready for anything

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Post by brendoelfrendo »

tempoponet wrote: post #4
speps wrote: post #2

The key bit: > Unlike Yuzu, the Suyu team does things differently in regards to Nintendo Switch emulation than their predecessors. Whereas Yuzu only required prod.keys, Suyu will also require you to dump your title.keys and firmware from a hacked Switch to run games. The devs also clarified that they are doing this for nonprofit (there's no Patreon) and do not condone piracy. We'll see how long it lasts...

One argument I heard for the Yuzu settlement was to avoid discovery. There's speculation that Nintendo had the goods on them, and that discovery would expose them to more than the civil penalties they were facing. Nintendo has never been friendly to emulation, or most fan content in general, but there are protections for fair-use and this team appears to be building their work behind those, rather than playing fast a…

My impression of the Yuzu team is that they didn't keep a very clean house. While the project didn't officially condone piracy, some members of the team were absolutely willing to help people run pirated games. Add to that the fact that they were emulating a current system, and that they ran a very successful Patreon to pay their team, and I think they eroded their plausible deniability down to nothing.

Consider that Nintendo leaves Dolphin more-or-less alone. I think Nintendo understands where emulation sits legally, and they went after Yuzu because of what was happening around the emulator, and not because of the emulator itself.

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Post by bitcharmer »

Eiim wrote: post #17
TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #9

Why don't any of these major emulator teams build and release anonymously?

You can still be sued. At that point, you either: a) defend yourself as normal, while attempting to maintain anonymity (difficult & doesn't solve anything) b) let the case go to default judgement (for likely an enormous amount of money) at which point Nintendo has every reason to try to track you down in real life, and can use the courts to help them do so. Hope you were really, really thorough about your anonymity.

How do you sue someone that is anonymous?
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