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Re: OpenShift by Red Hat

#41

Post by ryancutter » Tue, May 15, 2012, 1:18 PM UTC

I wrote a Python web app on OpenShift (Tornado not Django) and really liked it. While I don't have experience with Heroku, I was really impressed with OpenShift.

However, be aware that not everything is enabled yet. I ran into problems when I discovered the multiprocessing package doesn't work (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=814991).

Re: OpenShift by Red Hat

#42

Post by eli » Tue, May 15, 2012, 1:27 PM UTC

bergie wrote: post #37

eli wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oy, not this again. I agree that could be written better, but it's not all that different from Heroku: "...you give Heroku a worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such Application for the sole purpose of enabling Heroku to provide you with the Heroku Services."

That "for the sole purpose of enabling Heroku to provide you with the Heroku Services" makes quite a difference.

I agree that they should clarify the ToS.... but if you don't trust them, then you shouldn't use them no matter what the ToS says.

Re: OpenShift by Red Hat

#43

Post by sgdesign » Tue, May 15, 2012, 1:28 PM UTC

bobsy wrote: post #39

I don't like this "Free" business. It doesn't make sense and the complete lack of pricing info really puts me off. So I play around with this, like it and choose to stick with it. They then introduce uncompetitive pricing.. I just wasted my time. They do not need to give exact pricing - they might not know at the moment - but they should at least give an overview of what they plan to do. > We will keep this free plan…

The problem with free stuff is the lack of support. If I mess something up and my site crashes after hitting the HN front page, I want someone to throw money at until things work again.

Re: OpenShift by Red Hat

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, May 15, 2012, 1:33 PM UTC

jwarzech wrote: post #35

MatthewPhillips wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dotcloud does it for me. I'd love to support RedHat though.

Never heard of Dotcloud before, anyone have experience hosting a decent size app with them?

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Re: OpenShift by Red Hat

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Post by Kilimanjaro » Tue, May 15, 2012, 1:36 PM UTC

I tried the service a couple of months ago and it is really easy to use. Got a blog up and running in no time just to test the waters using bottle, jinja and mongo. No sweat.

http://blog-georgenava.rhcloud.com

Re: OpenShift by Red Hat

#46

Post by 0xbadcafebee » Tue, May 15, 2012, 1:42 PM UTC

If you don't like the idea of relying on RedHat to play with this tech, remember that it is Open Source. Download it, use it, heck make a business that builds on it.

  https://github.com/openshift/crankcase
  https://github.com/openshift/os-client-tools
  https://openshift.redhat.com/community/wiki/build-your-own

(I will say though: they make it extremely easy to get started and I really like using OpenShift so far. I've never used Heroku, but if it's this user friendly i'd definitely have used it before... Why don't they have a free offering for people to test out the service?)

Re: OpenShift by Red Hat

#47

Post by jvanenk » Tue, May 15, 2012, 1:47 PM UTC

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #46

If you don't like the idea of relying on RedHat to play with this tech, remember that it is Open Source. Download it, use it, heck make a business that builds on it. https://github.com/openshift/crankcase https://github.com/openshift/os-client-tools https://openshift.redhat.com/community/wiki/build-your-own (I will say though: they make it extremely easy to get started and I really like using OpenShift so far. I've n…

last I checked, Heroku does have a free offering.

Re: OpenShift by Red Hat

#48

Post by scottostler » Tue, May 15, 2012, 1:51 PM UTC

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #46

If you don't like the idea of relying on RedHat to play with this tech, remember that it is Open Source. Download it, use it, heck make a business that builds on it. https://github.com/openshift/crankcase https://github.com/openshift/os-client-tools https://openshift.redhat.com/community/wiki/build-your-own (I will say though: they make it extremely easy to get started and I really like using OpenShift so far. I've n…

FWIW, heroku does. The first heroku slice for a project is free, with the caveat that it'll be spun down during periods of inactivity.

I imagine that most hobby users of heroku (say for a weekend hackathon) aren't paying anything.

Re: OpenShift by Red Hat

#49

Post by obtu » Tue, May 15, 2012, 1:55 PM UTC

japhyr wrote: post #2

Has anyone chosen openshift over heroku for django? I didn't see any pricing info; is openshift still in beta?

Beta: yes and no. The implementation has existed for some time and was liberated recently. But the pricing beyond a free slot hasn't been published yet: https://openshift.redhat.com/community/faq#t2n9495

Being entirely open-source, if you outgrow it you can self host or move to an IAAS cloud.

Re: OpenShift by Red Hat

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Post by nroach » Tue, May 15, 2012, 1:56 PM UTC

eli wrote: post #42

bergie wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That "for the sole purpose of enabling Heroku to provide you with the Heroku Services" makes quite a difference.

I agree that they should clarify the ToS.... but if you don't trust them, then you shouldn't use them no matter what the ToS says.

It's not a question of trust, necessarily. The Heroku TOS uses your IP to provide and serve your app. The Redhat TOS allows them to use your app (without further notice or consent) and your logo, name, and trademarks in their advertising of the service. While in many instances, that's not a bad thing, not everyone wants publicity for a test/private/pre-release app they test on the Openshift service.