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Re: Wozniak calls for open Apple

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Post by peterkelly »

anextio wrote: post #95
nl wrote: post #86

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If you think the Apple dance is bad for getting an app on your own phone, try distributing for beta testing! People have written Apps to help you work around how difficult it is (eg TestFlight), but even then your beta testers have to download & sign up for some random 3rd party app, then request your app just to be able to test it. Compare that to Android: enable 3rd party apps via the settings menu, then email them…

You should still be using something like TestFlight. Emailing builds arounds is nice but reaches critical levels of headache after the 5th or so beta.

They've now made is possible to do "over the air" distribution, whereby you put up your .ipa file on your website and email your users a link. They can then go to this link on their iPhone or iPad and it will install from your site.

There's instructions on how to do this at: http://nachbaur.com/blog/building-ios-apps-for-over-the-air-...

Although it saves you from having to email large files, you do still need to collect your users' UDIDs and add them to your provisioning profile (embedded in the app).

Re: Wozniak calls for open Apple

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Post by freehunter »

rogerbinns wrote: post #45
ConstantineXVI wrote: post #43

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WP is utterly painless re: deployment; plug it in, give it a dev certificate (automated, you only sign in to apphub), and hit run from MSVS. What I was more impressed with, they handle signing your xap for release as well; it's all automatic (slightly less so on Android, much less so on iOS).

What specifically do you have to do to get that dev certificate? Is that for you or for the device? (Note I'm only talking about the case where you want to put you own app on your own device, not about publishing it to the general public.) Hopefully my original post inspires someone to try this with all the platforms. I'm particularly aware of the requirements to create accounts and registrations, the size of downloa…

Besides paying the $99 for a dev account (that allows you to publish to the marketplace), you can pay ~$10 for a personal app account, which allows you to load 10 apps of your own creation onto your device. Much cheaper if you just want to put your own app on your own device.

Re: Wozniak calls for open Apple

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Post by peterkelly »

bad_user wrote: post #74
jinushaun wrote: post #50

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I hate when people list "buy a mac" as the first step for iOS development. Some of us already have one. In order to develop for Eclipse, I'd have to buy/own a computer as well.

I own 5 personal computers, out of which 3 are desktops and 2 are laptops, with 2 of them running Windows, 2 Ubuntu and 1 of them Mac OS X. Eclipse and Java work on all 5 computers. XCode works on only one. And because that OS X machine is a desktop, I barely ever use it, which is why I bought an Android instead of an iPhone.

How many of those machines will run visual studio?

Re: Wozniak calls for open Apple

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Post by freehunter »

bad_user wrote: post #70
ricardobeat wrote: post #66

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Porting XCode and emulators to windows/linux is probably a huge undertaking, the technology stack is completely different. In addition, the cost of a Mac for development ($599 for a mini) is not stopping anybody, and most iOS developers will already have one, so there's little return to be had.

The cost for a Mac Mini is big enough for me. Yes I can afford it (I actually do own one), however a Mac Mini is a desktop and that's so 1998 that I can't stand it. Personally I have a pretty close and loving relationship with my workstation. That's why it needs to be a laptop.

Wow, I had no idea I was so far behind the times. If desktops aren't useful anymore...

Re: Wozniak calls for open Apple

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Post by bad_user »

peterkelly wrote: post #113
bad_user wrote: post #74

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I own 5 personal computers, out of which 3 are desktops and 2 are laptops, with 2 of them running Windows, 2 Ubuntu and 1 of them Mac OS X. Eclipse and Java work on all 5 computers. XCode works on only one. And because that OS X machine is a desktop, I barely ever use it, which is why I bought an Android instead of an iPhone.

How many of those machines will run visual studio?

None for me, because I have no interest in Visual Studio, or any Windows-related development in general.

However, at least I could make it run on all 5, by means of VMWare. That's not an option I have with XCode.

Re: Wozniak calls for open Apple

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Post by freehunter »

swedenborg wrote: post #22

Apple is the Finder upon a os ... one man TOG : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Tognazzini another : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Norman se the finder has a redundancy slowness to mimic human perception built in ...

I literally have no idea what you just said.

Re: Wozniak calls for open Apple

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Post by bad_user »

freehunter wrote: post #114
bad_user wrote: post #70

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The cost for a Mac Mini is big enough for me. Yes I can afford it (I actually do own one), however a Mac Mini is a desktop and that's so 1998 that I can't stand it. Personally I have a pretty close and loving relationship with my workstation. That's why it needs to be a laptop.

Wow, I had no idea I was so far behind the times. If desktops aren't useful anymore...

I sometimes work at home, lying on my sofa. I sometimes work while drinking a fresh orange juice or a caffe latte at a nearby coffee shop. I sometimes take trips and work from wherever.

I can't stand being tied to a physical location and working through remote desktop is too painful to bother, feasible if something is burning, but not otherwise.

Re: Wozniak calls for open Apple

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Post by petsos »

glogla wrote: post #105
Arcanum-XIII wrote: post #94

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XCode : open the app store, search xcode, click install. Done.

After you registered on the app store, which requires giving them name, sex, email, address, phone number and going through the account validation email and "password must contain X special characters and you need six different security questions" hoops. Last time I checked, Java SDK or Eclipse didn't want my A/S/L.

If you just bought a Mac in order to develop for iPhone then yes, you need to create an Apple ID and jump through all the hoops. Like if I wanted to run that aptitude command I would have to download, install Ubuntu and learn unix first.

But if you already are a mac user then you already have an Apple ID. It is absurd to say that you need it to download Xcode.

Re: Wozniak calls for open Apple

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Post by Derbasti »

anextio wrote: post #100
Derbasti wrote: post #71

The sad truth is, if Apple were a private company, they could do this. Being a publicly traded company, their first responsibility is their shareholders. Hence, they can not indulge in good-heartedness just for the sake of it if there is even a slight chance that it won't bring in money. This is the big big problem with the stock market.

That's a fairly common meme and a complete misunderstanding of the motives of corporations. Companies do lots of things that don't immediately look like profit-gaining moves to investors. Actually, put another way, do you think that Google is not a corporation, and instead a basket of goodwill, since they market things as 'open'?

No, but then I don't think that Google is a basket of goodwill. Quite the contrary, actually.
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