If AI features on mobiles get that important, like websearch was for the internet. Why should i buy an apple product if it uses the same assistant (or worse, as it runs native in the android world?)
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Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features
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Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features
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Apple put themselves in the corner with their privacy-first approach and local computations. To evolve AI you need to get all the data you can. It’s unsurprising that Apple progress was slow. And now they will pay to the Google who doesn’t hesitate to extract data from the users.
That's not the issue. LLMs are not trained on whatever crap you can scrape from users text messages or emails. That is relatively useless for training.
Wouldn't the issue be Gemini would need access to the users personal information in order to act on it? Yes there are applications where this wouldn't be needed, but I can't help but think that the number one application of ai would be adding to the capabilities of the personal assistant. To me a personal assistant that couldn't draw on the context of my location, calendar, or communications wouldn't be much improvement.
If you believe the memes, Siri is already quite capable of searching Google for you.
Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features
#83If Apple uses a third party to provide this what the heck has the Siri team been doing the last five years?
It takes a lot of effort to make the current version of a product much worse than the initial version. They did the same with the podcast app which used to be amazing, the new one I’m constantly fighting against because it keeps thinking I want to relisten to a podcast I just listened too, also the new version is slower and buggy.
I use Apple Music and it feels similarly buggier and with worse UX each time.
Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple put themselves in the corner with their privacy-first approach and local computations. To evolve AI you need to get all the data you can. It’s unsurprising that Apple progress was slow. And now they will pay to the Google who doesn’t hesitate to extract data from the users.
That's not the issue. LLMs are not trained on whatever crap you can scrape from users text messages or emails. That is relatively useless for training.
GPT-4 was trained on reddit posts...
Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features
#85This is such a dramatic turnaround from the way Apple has positioned itself in the last few years you have to really wonder about their confidence level for in-house AI efforts.
An alternative read is that AI in its current form can produce such unpredictable results they're content for now to use Google as a scapegoat for any oddities.
Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features
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Gemini doesn't run on GPUs, it runs on Google's custom TPU silicon. The TPU v4 was already competitive with Nvidia, and the new v5p is 2.4 times faster and more power efficient than v4.
Do you have a solid source for this claim? Everything I have read/heard tells me that companies would much, much rather have access to Nvidia chips than Googles TPUs.
NVIDIA chips are better for training due to the sheer prevalence of CUDA and NVIDIA being ahead of the curve in providing data centre hardware to scale up. They’re also not keeping stuff for just themselves.
When it comes to inference, most of that isn’t really relevant. TPUs or any other specialized hardware will have a higher ROI. But Google aren’t giving them to others either
I know you’re asking for a link, but it’s not really something other than Google can prove. However it is a reasonable extrapolation for anyone familiar with the product space to make.
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It shows encrypted streams that neither you or I can decipher. By default, either will spend its day scraping your surroundings (wifi and bluetooth) and report it back home, unless you opt-out (which both allow). Both are equally evil in my book.
MITM it, it's your phone that you physically control.
> it's your phone
I can't even tell whether it's sarcasm… All those services are closed-source, exchanging over binary protocols, of which there is no public description/documentation, and no stability guarantee.
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Or maybe Apple doesn't want to touch that mess of a copyright and IP infringing hellhole and subcontracting is the smart move?
they didnt seem afraid to touch music or movies, they have a lot of experience in that no?
A lot of that happened when Steve Jobs was alive and a major shareholder in the Walt Disney Company.
I don't think Tim Cook has the same kind of connections, even if Apple is a much bigger company now.
Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features
#89This seems asymmetrically good for Google, less so for Apple. If Gemini proves to be an indispensable feature embedded in future iPhones it assists Google in branding and fine tuning. Meanwhile Google can do the same Android and lock down certain features for iPhone users
Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features
#90Upon news like that I’d be shorting Apple. Seriously all these billions and zero in house models?
Why is it different than web search? Surely Apple could build a search engine if they wanted to.