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> When a person applies for a job, they need to do some due diligence researching the business to see if it sounds like something that will be around as long as they want to have a job. This is a nitpick as I agree with the rest of your comment, but most people are absolutely not qualified to make that assessment. (In fact, it's debatable whether anyone can make that claim with any amount of certainty. Even the most…
Most people do this. People will work for a brand or company that is well known with a history over something new with everything else being equal. People will ask friends who work if company is a good place to work. People are pretty smart.
Why are there suddenly so many car washes?
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Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?
#242I really hate sounding like a broken record but this is just another instance of how low property taxes and the absence of land value taxes massively benefits low-value businesses. The real business of car washes is real estate, it's profitable enough to get 3-4x leverage with a low interest loan. TBH I think real estate used to have high information asymmetry between local residents and large investors; low property…
> I take pride in the fact I haven't been to a car wash in probably 3 years and have likely gone myself less than 10 times total. You don't come off here as well as you think you do.
Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?
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I really don't get what this is implying, commuter cars are essentially self-cleaning. You're driving on roads where the worst that's gonna happen is some salt buildup in winter that isn't worth washing off in winter (and isn't rusting in winter) and then it washes itself off first rain of spring. This feels like one of those iceberg tips where I'm really glad I'm not in the kind of social circle where having a spotl…
I think it’s pretty normal for people to want to take good care of things they’ve spent hard earned money on. Is driving a filthy car some kind of weird flex?
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#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I take pride in the fact I haven't been to a car wash in probably 3 years and have likely gone myself less than 10 times total. You don't come off here as well as you think you do.
Ya, he’s bragging about letting his frame and underbody rust out. (must be nice to live in a place without salt on the roads!)
Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?
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$20 is 2 car washes. Around here moo moo car wash chain is all over and you cat get unlimited washes for like $30/month. Anywhere there is a moo-moo’s there is also a line of cars. Some people get obsessed with keeping their cars squeaky clean here.
$30/month to wait in a line. Fun times we live in.
Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?
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This ignores the opportunity cost of a more productive business throughout the time period of the low efficiency business: one that may hire more workers and provide more value to potential customers in the locality it serves. Under this comparison, the foolishness of an investor has resulted in a comparative net loss for themselves and the community.
Who defines more productive business? Maybe car wash is a good business for people to work for in some period of live. USSR tries to optimize business from top but selecting what would be produced and how much. Didn’t work well for community or customers.
The point is that a "Local" government deciding on how many of one kind of business shows up in one spot isn't optimizing from the top (you could consider that the state or federal government). Instead you could consider it optimizing it from the middle. The local people are electing officials and having them implement their will. Trying to call that communism would be... odd.
Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?
#247Earlier quoted context omitted.
This ignores the opportunity cost of a more productive business throughout the time period of the low efficiency business: one that may hire more workers and provide more value to potential customers in the locality it serves. Under this comparison, the foolishness of an investor has resulted in a comparative net loss for themselves and the community.
So you’re advocating a Chinese Communist Party model or what? A central authority determines what the market should be vs. what the market _is?_
"Local people electing a local government choosing what gets built locally is communism"
Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?
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> If the market were too small, the weakest would fail, right? Right? I find it interesting that we have sayings like this, and sayings like "the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent." > why should a politician need to step in to regulate, rather than letting the market decide? Because the market doesn't price in externalities. Sure the market will figure out which car washes live. But what abo…
The entire point of working for a living instead of e.g. subsistence farming is that you can simply switch jobs if it's not going well. As an adult if you can't weather a couple of weeks of unemployment you've seriously screwed up somewhere - probably overcommitting to expenses based on assuming that your income is guaranteed. The mindset that someone should be stopped from even offering a job because it might not be…
Most of the time they are looking into bringing businesses in that will have long term staying power, and backing that by offering low interest loans or tax breaks via a number of different programs. No, cities do not want boom/bust type scams that are going to eat up real estate and leave a dilapidated building in the future.
>As an adult if you can't weather a couple of weeks of unemployment you've seriously screwed up somewher
Or rent/housing/food/healthcare has exploded in cost in the past few years and you're like a large percentage of the country living paycheck to paycheck. But hey, screw them anyway, "let them eat cake", what could possibly go wrong.
Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?
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It's just so absurdly naive to think that the market acts this cleanly and quickly, it's probably the worst "brain worm" that economics has given us. Maybe it helps to consider the idea that the government (which already has considerable influence, positive and negative to markets) is part of how preferences are expressed.
No one said anything about quickly and cleanly until you introduced those words. If your argument is that the government tends to act more quickly than the market, I would be interested to see something backing that up. For something like a car wash that doesn't really affect the people around it much, why would we need to regulate that? Oh no, there are more car washes than some people on Nextdoor think are necessar…
"Oh no, the city had to put in a few million in pipes to supply additional water to an area that had a huge demand spike taking a long term bond on the issue... and now they are all out of business and earning no taxes to pay for the expense. Too bad we didn't actually plan for reasonable growth and resource usage. Hopefully someone can bail us out"
Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?
#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
When you see a solution here of higher property taxes, is it focused on the raw land value or on the value of "improvements?" I've never been a fan of taxing the value of raw land, mainly because it creates incentives for destroying natural land and extracting as much value as possible from the space. Taxing structures based on the expected economic value can make sense, though even then if its a business there are m…
Land value taxes aren't about destroying natural land to extract value. The point of taxing the value of the land in urban areas is that a lot of the time places essentially squat on land that could be better used. A car wash building will have a low assessed value for its improvements compared to a biotech building. For example, in my city we have a carwash with its improvements valued at $400,000 and a biotech buil…
So my main concern related to destruction of natural land is that there is a disincentive to keep land natural if you have to pay the tax anyway. In dense areas that wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue, but it would still mean that parks would be an unlikely occurrence and likely only feasible when run by the government. I assume most parks in these areas are anyway, so the loss may be limited to smaller neighborhood parks, courtyards, etc.
Finding a clear way to draw a line between what area is dense enough to be taxed and what isn't seems like it would be an ongoing challenge. Not only would you have to define specific measures and thresholds, you would have to eventually move the line as the city evolved. Any thoughts on his this would be done, or already is in areas with a similar tax?
When it comes to "best use" of a piece of land, who decides this? Does that measure really just boil down to whatever spends the most capital to build on the land, without regard for economic or social value, environmental impacts on the land and surrounding area, etc?
It seems like this would lead to a lot of economic and social impacts that aren't necessarily desirable. Is there a clear way to guard this system from building higher and higher economic centers, inflating incomes and forcing even more of a wedge into the wealth gap? In you example, a car wash would be able to employee people at a lower once level in the area where a much more expensive biotech building would mostly employ highly educated people who bring much higher price pressure to the area. Can that be avoided with a tax that incentivizes building more expensive, and likely more technical/specialized, businesses on every plot of land?
Related to that, what's the solution for infrastructure and resource requirements? Large biotech facilities would likely require more power, transportation and delivery access, maintenance, and building materials. If we are simultaneously concerned with environmental impact, creating incentives to build much larger building with much higher resource requirements flies in the face of this. Would we be creating a situation where businesses are pushed to use more energy, concrete, steel, and glass partly because a tax makes smaller businesses less feasible?
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Well that ended up being a bit of a brain dump with questions mixed in. If you made it this far, thanks for playing along!