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Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

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Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

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The ones that don't get torn down and replaced with something else. no big deal so long as you allow people to try things and fail. The irrational market isn't a problem for politicians it is for investors: people with money, let them learn their lesson. As for the jobs lost, at least the rich investors paid them while the wash was running, they will move on. The jobs are not high skill so no real loss when they are…

This ignores the opportunity cost of a more productive business throughout the time period of the low efficiency business: one that may hire more workers and provide more value to potential customers in the locality it serves. Under this comparison, the foolishness of an investor has resulted in a comparative net loss for themselves and the community.

Yes, and the entire point of capitalism and why it succeeds so well is that the individual profit motive is enough for investors to, in aggregate, not invest in low efficiency businesses.

As opposed to a central planning model in which a foolish planner can cock up the entire thing because they are usually far less accountable for failure and recieve little reward for success other than continued survival.

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

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I really hate sounding like a broken record but this is just another instance of how low property taxes and the absence of land value taxes massively benefits low-value businesses. The real business of car washes is real estate, it's profitable enough to get 3-4x leverage with a low interest loan. TBH I think real estate used to have high information asymmetry between local residents and large investors; low property…

When you see a solution here of higher property taxes, is it focused on the raw land value or on the value of "improvements?" I've never been a fan of taxing the value of raw land, mainly because it creates incentives for destroying natural land and extracting as much value as possible from the space. Taxing structures based on the expected economic value can make sense, though even then if its a business there are m…

Land value taxes aren't about destroying natural land to extract value.

The point of taxing the value of the land in urban areas is that a lot of the time places essentially squat on land that could be better used. A car wash building will have a low assessed value for its improvements compared to a biotech building. For example, in my city we have a carwash with its improvements valued at $400,000 and a biotech building with its improvements valued at $275,000,000. The biotech building uses only double the land, but pays a ton more taxes.

In my city, there are lots where they're basically abandoned. The owners know that they can just sit on the land and it'll increase in value over time even if it isn't used for a productive purpose. During this time, people need housing, businesses need office space, etc. This isn't "natural land", they're gravel pits.

In fact, lack of a land value tax causes us to destroy natural land. Instead of using land well, we sprawl and pave our way into the suburbs and beyond.

Not all land is equally valuable and land can be made non-valuable from the standpoint of a land value tax like parks and nature reserves. A land value tax isn't really meaningful in rural areas where the land isn't really that valuable due to its location. Where a land value tax is meaningful is in cities where land is scarce and we want to put it to good use.

In a city, we don't want someone keeping an empty lot for decades so they can become richer based off the hard work of others around them - productive investors creating housing and office space, workers and artists making an area more desirable, etc. They sit on their empty lot paying nothing in taxes while others make them richer. A land value tax says: put that land to good use or your investment won't pay off that well. Under the current system based on improvements, they pay almost nothing and leech off the hard work of everyone else.

Land value taxes don't destroy natural land. They'd probably preserve it. A land value tax might destroy surface parking lots in dense cities, but that isn't "natural land". They're a poor use of space. I live in one of the densest cities in the US and around the corner from a lot of 1-story retail. It would be better for the community if that retail had housing on top and a land value tax would encourage that.

The alternative to encouraging good land use is having sprawl. Sprawl doesn't preserve natural land, it destroys it. It also destroys our climate with the carbon emissions from people who then drive everywhere.

A land value tax isn't about taxing all land equally across the US. If you have land in an area where land is plentiful, then it doesn't have a high value (because it's plentiful) and it doesn't need to have a lot of value extracted from it. If you buy land in Manhattan, Boston, etc. and decide that you like it as an abandoned piece of property, that's not good for the community and there should be pressure on you to put it to better use or sell it to someone who will put it to good use. A land value tax is about taxing land in a way that prevents someone profiting off squatting on land.

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ones that don't get torn down and replaced with something else. no big deal so long as you allow people to try things and fail. The irrational market isn't a problem for politicians it is for investors: people with money, let them learn their lesson. As for the jobs lost, at least the rich investors paid them while the wash was running, they will move on. The jobs are not high skill so no real loss when they are…

This ignores the opportunity cost of a more productive business throughout the time period of the low efficiency business: one that may hire more workers and provide more value to potential customers in the locality it serves. Under this comparison, the foolishness of an investor has resulted in a comparative net loss for themselves and the community.

So you’re advocating a Chinese Communist Party model or what? A central authority determines what the market should be vs. what the market _is?_

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

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I really don't get what this is implying, commuter cars are essentially self-cleaning. You're driving on roads where the worst that's gonna happen is some salt buildup in winter that isn't worth washing off in winter (and isn't rusting in winter) and then it washes itself off first rain of spring. This feels like one of those iceberg tips where I'm really glad I'm not in the kind of social circle where having a spotl…

I think it’s pretty normal for people to want to take good care of things they’ve spent hard earned money on. Is driving a filthy car some kind of weird flex?

He's saying it rains and the car gets clean.

I only needed to rinse my car off once a year, max, and did that with a garden hose. It was fine otherwise. Car washes are a waste.

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This ignores the opportunity cost of a more productive business throughout the time period of the low efficiency business: one that may hire more workers and provide more value to potential customers in the locality it serves. Under this comparison, the foolishness of an investor has resulted in a comparative net loss for themselves and the community.

So you’re advocating a Chinese Communist Party model or what? A central authority determines what the market should be vs. what the market _is?_

I wish people wouldn’t say that any market interference is communism as though the US isnt Keynesian while simultaneously pretending china is even close to communist.

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

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Automated ones are fine, but what I've really missed since I moved to New England have been the ones where a team vacuums the inside, hoses off your mats, wipes your windows and dashboard inside, etc. Growing up in the West and Midwest, these things were absolutely normal for the first 30 years of my life. Some of them would even change the oil too. But I haven't found anywhere within 50 miles of me that will do it h…

There's one of these in Vancouver, on 4th ave. It's about CAD $32.

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

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In my city you're not allowed to wash your car in your driveway I guess it's too hard on the storm drains to have soap and dirt and stuff going down them Or maybe city council is just in some kind of racket with car wash owners or something But either way, that's why we have so many car washes here... And it sucks ass

> In my city you're not allowed to wash your car in your driveway How does this even get enforced? Are the police driving by everyone’s house regularly, looking for those dastardly hoses? Or do they rely on nosey neighbors ratting on each other? I can’t imagine this is the most important crime for the local law enforcement to be investigating.

Seriously. I could just hose down my car while I’m hosing off the driveway and no one would be the wiser

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

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Ya, he’s bragging about letting his frame and underbody rust out. (must be nice to live in a place without salt on the roads!)

Most of humanity lives in a place without salt on roads (or doesn't own a car). I've never washed a car I've owned and my frame is fine.

Depends where you live. In Texas you want to wash occasionally and reapply some type of wax or you'll lose your clear coat in a few years to UV damage.

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

#240

1) Who is spending $20 a month on car washes? 2) If the problem is that subscription users aren’t paying local sales taxes, why not charge property taxes? (or, Land Value Tax!)

me. i went into one of these car washes, got the hard sell from some poor person standing outside, didnt realize it was subscription - to cancel you have to call a phone number between 8 and 5, which of course i forget to do for several weeks ,
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