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Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by viraptor »

pjmlp wrote: post #444
viraptor wrote: post #398

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> Why build a Linux box and be locked out of tools like Photoshop That's what VMs are for. You're never really locked out. It may not make sense to go that way if Photoshop is THE thing you work with of course. > when I could have UNIX workstation that ran commercial software Because for lots of software MacOS is a second class system. Partially because there's just no way to test things on it without investing lots…

Indeed, why get a lesser experience with Linux laptops, when I can use Apple and Microsoft platforms, and use Linux in a VM when I really need to. The Year of Linux Desktop is delivered on a desktop VM.

If that works for you, great. My default works better with Linux with only occasional other system. Makes me least angry. (Also because Linux is the only system that handles sleep/hibernation for me without issues, ironically...)

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by asyx »

Aeolun wrote: post #335
rpdillon wrote: post #169

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People have been making this argument to me about Linux for more than 25 years. The most cutting version that I ran across was: > Linux is only free if your time is worthless! Something never quite sat right with me about this argument, and your comment finally made me understand what it is: the understanding you gain from tinkering is priceless, and it's exactly the experience that you use to help everyone around yo…

At this point I feel like Linux may be more likely to just work than a windows machine. I just had the unfortunate experience of setting up windows 11, and the number of ‘please wait while we get things ready for you’ was truly astonishing.

It's not. You can go and pick up any computer that is currently on the market, doesn't matter if it's 300 or 3000 dollars as long as it is a (n IBM) PC and it will run Windows.

Will it always be flawless? No. Will it always work perfectly out of the box? No. But it will work and generally you have a good chance of it working as you wish assuming you are fine with Windows and what MS does with it.

I bought an Asus Zephyrus G15 (2022) specifically because it was recommended to me because it is supposed to be great for Linux and it's probably the worst Linux experience I have ever had. As the first piece of hardware that I specifically picked for Linux support.

Because most DEs don't do fractional scaling but all high end laptops have too much DPI to not have fractional scaling.

Nvidia is still not providing proper Linux drivers.

Asus can't program to save their lives but the tools that replace the Asus stuff on Windows are still better than the stuff that is replacing the Asus stuff on Linux (asusctl/ supergfxctl vs G-Helper).

I once had a machine where the nvme drive was simply not working. That was when Kernel 5 came out. It broke on Fedora but worked in Mint until Mint got Kernel 5.

During my last Linux adventure, KDE just died when using WhatsApp as a PWA (where I live, WhatsApp is essential software to have a social life).

And even after years of Wayland being around, it's still impossible to have apps that aren't blurry in most DEs because X11 is still around.

You're complaining about software updates and user friendly loading screens. The issues that drive people away from Linux and to Windows are literally unfixable to 99% of the techies that try Linux. I'm not fixing an nvme driver in the Kernel. That's not my area of expertise. But I still need my machine to work and on Windows, it does.

Rufus let's you create an ISO that skips most of the windows 11 nonsense btw.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by viraptor »

sbuk wrote: post #428
viraptor wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why build a Linux box and be locked out of tools like Photoshop That's what VMs are for. You're never really locked out. It may not make sense to go that way if Photoshop is THE thing you work with of course. > when I could have UNIX workstation that ran commercial software Because for lots of software MacOS is a second class system. Partially because there's just no way to test things on it without investing lots…

> If you're doing lots of sysadmin / software maintenance style work, MacOS just provides unnecessary pain. Amazingly a significant amount of the software that you use on a daily basis, perhaps unwittingly, is developed and maintained with macOS and Windows!

I'm working on packaging things for Darwin platform. And helping people deal with homebrew/compilation issues. I'm painfully aware how much is developed by people with no access to or interest in MacOS. And unless something targets windows explicitly (not wsl), you can basically expect issues going in. In a twisted way, I'm one of the enablers of the current situation where things are usable on a mac.

Sometimes you can tell by the simple fact that the git repo contains files in one directory that conflict in naming. Linux has no issues with "Foo" and "foo" coexisting.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by qwerty456127 »

> Many will tell you that buying Intel-based hardware from Apple is buying obsolete models.

A strength of Intel-based Macs is they can run Wine/CrossOver. This is very good for people who really need a Windows app for their job and also need to minimze risk of a ransomware attack (which is way higher on Windows).

Intel Macs running MacOS 17 also are great for retro gaming through running Win32 games with CrossOver/Wine, also platformer games with OpenEMU.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by mattl »

josteink wrote: post #423
mattl wrote: post #369

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As I found out this week, making the Windows 11 USB stick is far harder than it ought to be if you don’t have Windows already.

If you use UEFI, all you need is to copy the files from the ISO over to the USB stick. Am I missing something? (And the same applies to UEFI capable Linux-distros)

Windows installer images have some files too large for most tools to understand and also I believe the USB stick needs to be exFAT formatted too. Virtually any tool for making a USB stick would fail in various ways on macOS.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by dgellow »

jasoneckert wrote: post #304

While I never jumped on the Hackintosh bandwagon, I had many friends who did for almost a decade. They built systems that ran macOS for considerably less when it came to the price/performance ratio. Nowadays, those same friends are all using Mac Studios because the price/performance ratio for running macOS is better. I believe this is one of the major factors to why the Hackintosh community is dying today (not just c…

I don’t get the point about the price/performance ratio being better. Mac Studio are really expensive compared to a powerful PC

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by steve1977 »

yieldcrv wrote: post #424
steve1977 wrote: post #413

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How is this related to network effects?

because it means enough people were spurred into action because they already use this ecosystem

Ah you mean end users have already updated their devices? I first understood it in the sense of developers have already updated their software.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by macintux »

viraptor wrote: post #398
macintux wrote: post #322

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> Building your first machine is fun, building your 10th is less so. Building a Linux box led me back to Apple. I had been using UNIX at home, school and work for several years, and decided it was time to build my 3rd Linux box. Went to CompUSA out of idle curiosity to see what equipment they had, and the only computer in the store with Internet access was a Mac. I hadn't used a Mac since the SE/30 days, and I sudden…

> Why build a Linux box and be locked out of tools like Photoshop That's what VMs are for. You're never really locked out. It may not make sense to go that way if Photoshop is THE thing you work with of course. > when I could have UNIX workstation that ran commercial software Because for lots of software MacOS is a second class system. Partially because there's just no way to test things on it without investing lots…

> That's what VMs are for.

For me, the psychic angst of using Windows is much, much worse than any Mac-related inconvenience.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by soraminazuki »

afavour wrote: post #319
yoyohello13 wrote: post #312

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Windows does not “just work”. On my work computer my programs randomly rearrange themselves after lunch, windows always has trouble switching between my audio devices, random slowdowns. Windows is pretty shit these days tbh. It’s pretty much like Linux was 10 years ago. However, I rarely have issues on Linux anymore, mostly because of something is broken on Linux, I can fix it. Frankly, I hate that I’m forced to use…

> On my work computer my programs randomly rearrange themselves after lunch, windows always has trouble switching between my audio devices, random slowdowns > I rarely have issues on Linux anymore, mostly because of something is broken on Linux, I can fix it. Perhaps your Windows knowledge is not up to the level of your Linux knowledge? It might be that a Windows expert could fix every issue you’ve listed and more.

> It might be that a Windows expert could fix every issue you’ve listed and more.

So in other words, it doesn't "just work."

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by torginus »

threeseed wrote: post #64
givemeethekeys wrote: post #20

I'd give Windows some credit - it is actually quite good and stable these days.

WSL still doesn't have the proper UNIX like experience of macOS. And there is no decent equivalent to homebrew.

Imo, it's much more of a proper Linux experience than MacOS. e.g. all the filesystems stuff is there like /proc, you don't have to deal with BSD/Linux differences, zsh/bash compat issues etc.

macOS Unix compatibility is an oversold feature, and it's unlikely for anything made for Linux to work on it unless it's specifically ported.

That being sad, a lot of the dev community own macs, so this support usually exists.

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