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Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by jstummbillig »

doubled112 wrote: post #287
jstummbillig wrote: post #263

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> the understanding you gain from tinkering is priceless You pay with time. It's priceless, if you are a romantic or lack foresight (because what you did with your total will be way more important than what is left). Otherwise it will always be the most expensive thing you have (and we must still be able to spend it without care, because what would life be otherwise). > But when it doesn't, I often wish I was that gu…

Disclaimer: This became more of a rant than I intended. I've become pretty unhappy with the general quality of the "professionals" I've interacted with lately. I just can't agree with this take. It sounds that simple, but it's not. I happen to enjoy learning and fixing. It would take me a long time to build that trust. Nobody cares about my things and my family's safety like I do. Most people are a long way from maki…

> When the dealership is charging $200/hr to have a kid plug in the car and follow a flowchart, I'll just take a look myself.

Regrets about not becoming more of investing the time to be an intuitive handy man is a very different category from "let's see if there's a video on yt to help me fix that in 5 minutes". My message is definitely not "don't get your hands dirty" but "be practical". Doing the yt/google/chatgpt thing to get an idea is mostly practical.

> If this is the average "expert" count me out.

You disclaimed, no problem — but I did write "build a network of experts you trust". Just calling someone and being annoyed that they are not good (and I agree, most of them are not) is not that. It's going to take time and money, but decidedly less so, because you get into the habit if doing it, you learn, you see red flags, network effects are real (people know people) and relationships on average last long enough. That is my experience, at least, but I have no reason to believe I would be special here.

> Plus, throwing money at a problem isn't near as fun.

That's true, in my case, only for very few problems. Most problems I would rather not solve myself.

I'll admit: All of this is a concession to reality, at least my perception of it. Learning is fun. I would really love to be good at a great many things. It's just increasingly unreasonable to invest the time necessary, because things get more complicated and change more quickly.

Staying good at a few things, learning whatever is most important next, and getting better at throwing money at the rest, will have to do.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by yoyohello13 »

mmcnl wrote: post #224
zozbot234 wrote: post #191

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> Linux is only free if your time is worthless! This argument is quite out of date. You'll lose a whole lot more time on forced Windows 10/11 updates than you'd spend managing a reasonable Linux installation. ("Reasonable" meaning avoid things like Arch or Ubuntu, and pick decent, natively supported hardware.)

This is absolutely false. I run dual-boot Windows and Linux on hardware that has 100% Linux support. Windows just works, the same cannot be said for Linux unless all you do is use a browser and listen to Spotify.

Windows does not “just work”. On my work computer my programs randomly rearrange themselves after lunch, windows always has trouble switching between my audio devices, random slowdowns. Windows is pretty shit these days tbh. It’s pretty much like Linux was 10 years ago.

However, I rarely have issues on Linux anymore, mostly because of something is broken on Linux, I can fix it.

Frankly, I hate that I’m forced to use windows as work. I feel like I need to constantly deal with BS windows annoyances. When I go home and work on Linux it like breathing a sigh of relief. My desktop actually feels fast and efficient.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by lijok »

j33zusjuice wrote: post #92
vehemenz wrote: post #63

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Cost of ownership of an M3 MacBook Pro is like $300-400 a year. Even if you have the time, it's just not worth it anymore like it used to be.

It seems reasonable when you consider TCO, but you still have to pay 100% up front. Not everyone can drop $2k on a laptop, most people don’t need to.

Lower specced macs don’t cost 2k. Go for a generation or two old refurb and you’re looking at 600-800~

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by paradox460 »

johnwalkr wrote: post #176
paradox460 wrote: post #46

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I see sentiments very similar to this on Reddit and some other message boards. Generally the user posting them cut their teeth on Linux or Windows, and has an affinity toward the ux conventions you'd see there. Macs have different ux conventions, not bad ones, just different, and it's not what the poster is expecting. Some call it baby dick syndrome, The user has imprinted the conventions of their first operating sys…

Unfortunate typo.

Oof yeah

I meant to say baby DUCK syndrome, as in how baby DUCKS imprint on whatever the first thing they see as their mother. Probably too late to edit it to reflect that.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by Spivak »

coffeebeqn wrote: post #240
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #221

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For me it's always been about repairability and expandability and Apple has gotten worse in that respect over time. It's essentially impossible to repair Apple hardware yourself, but Hackintosh is very easy to maintain in that regard. I have endless expansion options compared to Apple hardware. Hackintoshes are just a better choice.

Macs do keep their resale value more though. Personally I run Linux on my own machines but I do enjoy the build quality of the MBP I get from work. It’s a whole another universe from my pretty good laptop that creaks and is made of plastic and the screen bends when I move it.. and the screen quality is not even comparable

Yep, Linux will make mid hardware punch well above its weight class so for the right person the value/$ ratio is unbeatable. But if the highest value at any price within reason is your goal then Apple is the go-to.

Which is typically why your employer who could not give a shit about a $4k expense every five years for an employee costing them a quarter mil annually in total comp opts for them.

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Post by mandeepj »

i_am_a_peasant wrote: post #299
xattt wrote: post #232

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Proprietary or not, tinkering help you develop an intuition of what might be wrong.

Yeah I mean, whoever made the original statement is just not an OS engineer.

> just not an OS engineer.

Or not just an engineer

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by Rebelgecko »

fsflover wrote: post #228
mmcnl wrote: post #224

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This is absolutely false. I run dual-boot Windows and Linux on hardware that has 100% Linux support. Windows just works, the same cannot be said for Linux unless all you do is use a browser and listen to Spotify.

> unless all you do is use a browser and listen to Spotify So what exactly isn't working?

These have been pain points for me. Not saying they're impossible to solve on Linux, but it's nontrivial especially compared to Windows

Change trackpad scrolling speed

Set up suspend-then-hibernate

GPU drivers (I have a box with an AMD APU and no idea how to actually utilize it)

Many games (Proton is amazing and a huge leap forward, but om average it's still more work than gaming on Windows. eg fiddling with different versions of Proton or finding out that a game's anti cheat will ban you for using Linux)

Higher res video streaming (I think this is usually a DRM issue?)

Full disclosure: I'm posting this list because I'm hoping that someone will tell me I'm wrong and that Gnome actually has an easy way to set the trackpad scroll speed

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Post by afavour »

chasil wrote: post #292
audunw wrote: post #218

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That argument doesn’t sound very convincing to me. How would I know an avoiding Ubuntu is reasonable? That still seems to be the go-to distro for many people I know that like to use Linux but aren’t Linux experts. How do I know which hardware is natively supported? With Windows 10/11 I’ve never had any problems, either with pre-built computers or my home-built PC. Hell, running Ubuntu in WSL has been relatively smoot…

If you have recently endured Windows Update for Patch Tuesday, you know that you are forced to reboot during this process. This activity will deny you "the five 9s," i.e., 99.999% availability in uptime. If you have recently performed the analog activity on a Linux distribution, which is likely either apt update/upgrade or yum update, you will notice that a reboot is not required. These update approaches cannot alter…

> This activity will deny you "the five 9s," i.e., 99.999% availability in uptime.

Which is something 99% of personal computers don’t care about even slightly. These days restarting your machine is a very inconsequential event, your browser can effortlessly reopen all the tabs you had active, macOS will even reopen all the windows for your native apps.

I don’t mean to defend Windows Update, I just think “you have to restart your computer!” is not a particularly good reason to damn it.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by afavour »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #312
mmcnl wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is absolutely false. I run dual-boot Windows and Linux on hardware that has 100% Linux support. Windows just works, the same cannot be said for Linux unless all you do is use a browser and listen to Spotify.

Windows does not “just work”. On my work computer my programs randomly rearrange themselves after lunch, windows always has trouble switching between my audio devices, random slowdowns. Windows is pretty shit these days tbh. It’s pretty much like Linux was 10 years ago. However, I rarely have issues on Linux anymore, mostly because of something is broken on Linux, I can fix it. Frankly, I hate that I’m forced to use…

> On my work computer my programs randomly rearrange themselves after lunch, windows always has trouble switching between my audio devices, random slowdowns

> I rarely have issues on Linux anymore, mostly because of something is broken on Linux, I can fix it.

Perhaps your Windows knowledge is not up to the level of your Linux knowledge? It might be that a Windows expert could fix every issue you’ve listed and more.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by ryeguy_24 »

I’m sure Apple doesn’t love the fact that Hackintosh exists but I’ll tell you what. After installing it on my gaming PC 15 years ago, i loved it and bought my first Mac shortly after. It was a previously owned Mac because I was still getting my feet wet and didn’t want to spend a ton. But then I bought a MacBook Air. Then iMac. Then iPhone. Then 5 more Macs. And now, I’m hooked. Hackintosh was a great gateway drug.
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