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Hackintosh is almost dead

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Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by mundays »

KingOfLechia wrote: post #30

Other than trying out the MacOS for the first time to learn how bad it is, why would anyone make a hackintosh? Windows and Linux are infinitely better operating systems, more open, with better backwards compatibility, more hardware support, independence from vendor servers and more available software. A reminder that with MacOS you need internet connection in order to re-install the OS as it requires activation just…

Yes, Tim Cook could flip a switch and my mac would become activation locked. Considering that Windows 11 has been working really hard to sneak remote attestation below our noses (and other stuff), I think it's safe to cross out Windows as well.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by hd4 »

I'm yet to be convinced there is a single use-case other than iOS development/publishing for someone to want Hackintosh rather than simply installing a well-supported distro like Ubuntu or Fedora.

I tried it a few times and it was always a painful and substandard experience.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by jupp0r »

KingOfLechia wrote: post #30

Other than trying out the MacOS for the first time to learn how bad it is, why would anyone make a hackintosh? Windows and Linux are infinitely better operating systems, more open, with better backwards compatibility, more hardware support, independence from vendor servers and more available software. A reminder that with MacOS you need internet connection in order to re-install the OS as it requires activation just…

I see your points, but I don't want to make compromises for my daily work based on a scenario that's unlikely to ever occur. If the apocalypse comes, I'll gladly use Ubuntu, but in the meantime I'm ok with not reinstalling my OS when I'm somewhere without internet.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by jwells89 »

KingOfLechia wrote: post #30

Other than trying out the MacOS for the first time to learn how bad it is, why would anyone make a hackintosh? Windows and Linux are infinitely better operating systems, more open, with better backwards compatibility, more hardware support, independence from vendor servers and more available software. A reminder that with MacOS you need internet connection in order to re-install the OS as it requires activation just…

One thing to consider is that a lot of what some consider “bad” about macOS is purely subjective and varies depending on the user’s background and mental models. It’s not uncommon for people who grew up on Macs to find operating systems with Windows-esque desktop environments as “bad” as some find macOS.

macOS installs don’t require an internet connection or activation, I’m not sure where that came from. Macs registered with iCloud can be remotely bricked with Find My but that’s completely separate and fully optional.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by peruvian »

LegitShady wrote: post #33
bruce511 wrote: post #13

Back in my youth, when I was time rich and cash poor, this kind of tinkering was fun and a good way to improve the machine I was using. Now that I have more disposable cash, but waaay less time, I couldn't imagine "wasting my time" doing this sort of thing. These days I want to -use- the computer, not spend time trying to convince it to work. Incidentally it's the exact same journey with my cars. 35 years ago I was f…

I don't understand. Do you imagine there isn't a young generation of time rich cash poor tinkerers now? Why would the idea of a hackintosh suddenly become obsolete because you can afford one now and don't have time? Nothing about your statement logically follows.

He’s just parroting a usual HN-ism of ignoring the topic and talking about themselves. I’ve seen the “I used to tinker but now I don’t” line a hundred times as well as the “this doesn’t apply to me so I don’t care - let me tell you how”.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by paradox460 »

s0ss wrote: post #16
actimia wrote: post #8

I don't get why you would ever want to do a Hackintosh this way... Apple has great hardware but ABYSMAL software. I prefer Windows or any of the top 5 Linux distros on any day that ends with y. They are being carried hard by their top-tier CPUs right now. Something drastic needs to happen to the software side - as it is, it is almost an unusably bad experience to simply browse the web and move files around. Now if we…

Could you elaborate? I find web browsing and moving files around to be practically an equivalent experience between mac os, windows, most linux distros.

I see sentiments very similar to this on Reddit and some other message boards. Generally the user posting them cut their teeth on Linux or Windows, and has an affinity toward the ux conventions you'd see there. Macs have different ux conventions, not bad ones, just different, and it's not what the poster is expecting.

Some call it baby dick syndrome, The user has imprinted the conventions of their first operating system on themselves, and assumes that they are universally considered "best"

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by derefr »

hparadiz wrote: post #28
bruce511 wrote: post #13

Back in my youth, when I was time rich and cash poor, this kind of tinkering was fun and a good way to improve the machine I was using. Now that I have more disposable cash, but waaay less time, I couldn't imagine "wasting my time" doing this sort of thing. These days I want to -use- the computer, not spend time trying to convince it to work. Incidentally it's the exact same journey with my cars. 35 years ago I was f…

It's really not much of a time commitment. You can just lookup hardware with full compatibility and build a desktop that "just works".

The primary demographic of people interested in Hackintoshing are people who, like the GP in their youth, couldn't afford to just buy "hardware with full compatibility", let alone buy the equivalent-specced Mac.

The secondary demographic of people interested in Hackintoshing are people who have an existing PC (or enough extra parts to build a second PC) and want to figure out how to "make something that can run macOS" out of it, while spending as little money replacing/upgrading parts as possible.

People who buy parts, to build machines from scratch, just to run macOS on them, are a very tiny fraction of the Hackintosh community. (Which is why you so rarely hear stories of Hackintosh builds working the first time with no added tinkering — they can, if you do this, but ~nobody does this.)

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by acmj »

mundays wrote: post #26

Now that their MacBooks come with 120hz screens with acceptable response time (unlike their early 120hz screens), the value proposition for hackintosh isn't as alluring for me. Previously, I've been worried about the T2 chip and the trend of Apple locking down MacOS, which also turned out to be less of an issue that I thought. The only area that saw significant retreat in macos is gaming.

> The only area that saw significant retreat in macos is gaming.

Mac gaming is probably getting better thanks to wine, crossover, GPTK and Whisky [1]. I am not a gamer but I have seen others playing serious Windows games like FF7 remake (not sure if that counts) on mac.

[1] https://github.com/Whisky-App/Whisky

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

actimia wrote: post #8

I don't get why you would ever want to do a Hackintosh this way... Apple has great hardware but ABYSMAL software. I prefer Windows or any of the top 5 Linux distros on any day that ends with y. They are being carried hard by their top-tier CPUs right now. Something drastic needs to happen to the software side - as it is, it is almost an unusably bad experience to simply browse the web and move files around. Now if we…

> Something drastic needs to happen to the software side - as it is, it is almost an unusably bad experience to simply browse the web and move files around.

I used both Windows and Mac regularly for years, and I have no idea what you're talking about.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by vehemenz »

KingOfLechia wrote: post #30

Other than trying out the MacOS for the first time to learn how bad it is, why would anyone make a hackintosh? Windows and Linux are infinitely better operating systems, more open, with better backwards compatibility, more hardware support, independence from vendor servers and more available software. A reminder that with MacOS you need internet connection in order to re-install the OS as it requires activation just…

I'd recommend spending a few years on macOS. It doesn't sound like you have much experience with it.
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