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Post by EarthLaunch »

jstummbillig wrote: post #311
doubled112 wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer: This became more of a rant than I intended. I've become pretty unhappy with the general quality of the "professionals" I've interacted with lately. I just can't agree with this take. It sounds that simple, but it's not. I happen to enjoy learning and fixing. It would take me a long time to build that trust. Nobody cares about my things and my family's safety like I do. Most people are a long way from maki…

> When the dealership is charging $200/hr to have a kid plug in the car and follow a flowchart, I'll just take a look myself. Regrets about not becoming more of investing the time to be an intuitive handy man is a very different category from "let's see if there's a video on yt to help me fix that in 5 minutes". My message is definitely not "don't get your hands dirty" but "be practical". Doing the yt/google/chatgpt…

I'm enjoying this thread. I want to add that building a network of experts has other costs too.

Sticking to a network will limit the variety of people you get to meet, everything else the same. Local maxima.

It also isn't practical in some circumstances; if I travel for work or move cities every few years, the local network for mechanics gets lost. The cost of keeping the network would be staying in one place.

So, these are all options.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by Fnoord »

ponector wrote: post #246
wkat4242 wrote: post #141

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In the 90s most people didn't have a laptop for that very reason. They just owned desktops which were way cheaper. I studied computer science then and I knew 1 student out of 50 that had an actual laptop. Even at the uni we had to use their computer rooms full of desktops and X terminals.

In the 90s no one I know had a computer at home. Nintendo/Sega maybe, rich guys had Play Station, but no one had PC.

I had a Gameboy, parents had a PC. Friends all had a game console. NES, SNES, SEGA, Amiga, C=64, etc. PC went booming in 90s though. Because here you could buy a PC tax deductible via a law called 'pc-privé'. This was to stimulate citizens to learn to use a computer in their private time. Still, even with tax deduction a PC was very expensive. Not like a car, but expensive still.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by indymike »

TylerE wrote: post #273
audunw wrote: post #218

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That argument doesn’t sound very convincing to me. How would I know an avoiding Ubuntu is reasonable? That still seems to be the go-to distro for many people I know that like to use Linux but aren’t Linux experts. How do I know which hardware is natively supported? With Windows 10/11 I’ve never had any problems, either with pre-built computers or my home-built PC. Hell, running Ubuntu in WSL has been relatively smoot…

That would be a firing offense at my company. Company files stay on company hardware. Personal files stay on personal hardware, and never should the two meet.

I would never work at your company. I use my own tools, thank you.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by TylerE »

indymike wrote: post #343
TylerE wrote: post #273

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That would be a firing offense at my company. Company files stay on company hardware. Personal files stay on personal hardware, and never should the two meet.

I would never work at your company. I use my own tools, thank you.

Are you required to maintain PCI compliance? Do you touch customer personal info?

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by coolspot »

paradox460 wrote: post #46
s0ss wrote: post #16

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Could you elaborate? I find web browsing and moving files around to be practically an equivalent experience between mac os, windows, most linux distros.

I see sentiments very similar to this on Reddit and some other message boards. Generally the user posting them cut their teeth on Linux or Windows, and has an affinity toward the ux conventions you'd see there. Macs have different ux conventions, not bad ones, just different, and it's not what the poster is expecting. Some call it baby dick syndrome, The user has imprinted the conventions of their first operating sys…

> Some call it baby dick syndrome

Ummm…

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

rpdillon wrote: post #169
bruce511 wrote: post #13

Back in my youth, when I was time rich and cash poor, this kind of tinkering was fun and a good way to improve the machine I was using. Now that I have more disposable cash, but waaay less time, I couldn't imagine "wasting my time" doing this sort of thing. These days I want to -use- the computer, not spend time trying to convince it to work. Incidentally it's the exact same journey with my cars. 35 years ago I was f…

People have been making this argument to me about Linux for more than 25 years. The most cutting version that I ran across was: > Linux is only free if your time is worthless! Something never quite sat right with me about this argument, and your comment finally made me understand what it is: the understanding you gain from tinkering is priceless, and it's exactly the experience that you use to help everyone around yo…

Linux is for work. I wouldn’t consider running anything else (Windows, MacOS, FreeBSD, etc.) for my services.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by philistine »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #216
matthewfcarlson wrote: post #199

As a long time lover of hackintoshes (couldn’t afford a real Mac as a youth but tried to make the netbook macOS dream come true), I’m quite sad to read this. The author has a very valid point that drivers are going to become increasingly complicated and difficult. I appreciate the call out that Apple (the engineering) isn’t explicitly trying to kill hackintoshes. As an Apple engineer who deals with ACPI bugs, hackint…

I've been using a Hackintosh as my daily driver for nearly 15 years and they have always been rock solid, with months of uptime consistently. It's just a matter of starting with the right hardware. People are free to look to support the hardware they have but 've always though it's stupid not buying well supported hardware in the first place, of which there is plenty.

What are you going to do once Intel is no longer supported ?

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Post by goosedragons »

duskwuff wrote: post #180
j33zusjuice wrote: post #92

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It seems reasonable when you consider TCO, but you still have to pay 100% up front. Not everyone can drop $2k on a laptop, most people don’t need to.

Entry-level price for a new Mac, right now, is $700 (M1 Macbook Air at Walmart). It doesn't get you the best or the fastest, but it's a perfectly usable laptop. Or, if you're okay with something lightly used, a refurbished M1 Mac Mini is ~$500.

That's a pretty time limited sale. I doubt the stock of unsold M1s is huge. It's also $700 for a new but essentially 3+ year old machine.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by ghoover1978 »

Aeolun wrote: post #335
rpdillon wrote: post #169

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People have been making this argument to me about Linux for more than 25 years. The most cutting version that I ran across was: > Linux is only free if your time is worthless! Something never quite sat right with me about this argument, and your comment finally made me understand what it is: the understanding you gain from tinkering is priceless, and it's exactly the experience that you use to help everyone around yo…

At this point I feel like Linux may be more likely to just work than a windows machine. I just had the unfortunate experience of setting up windows 11, and the number of ‘please wait while we get things ready for you’ was truly astonishing.

I think that everyone knows that's a pretty ridiculous statement. Installing Windows 11 is basically putting in a USB stick, waiting about 8 minutes, clicking a few things and typing out your login and password. I love Linux, first started playing with it about 20 years ago now. There's not a single dist I've ever seen that is that simple. Just a basic fact, sorry.
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