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Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by JohnTHaller »

sp332 wrote: post #112
JohnTHaller wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RAM and storage are both incredibly painful. $200 to add 8GB RAM to the base 8GB (16GB total). $400 to add 16GB RAM to the base (24GB total). $200 to add 256GB storage to the base 256GB (512GB total). $400 to add 768GB storage to the base 256GB (1TB total). $800 to add 1768GB storage to the base 256GB (2TB total). For comparison, a faster 2TB nvme PCIE4 SSD is a bit over $100.

Right, but you can add storage without soldering.

Via USB/Thunderbolt or SD card you can. But you can't upgrade or replace your SSD in an Apple Silicon MacBook.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by samatman »

sangnoir wrote: post #89
carlosjobim wrote: post #52

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Macs are very expensive in some parts of the world, where other computer brands are affordable. A hackintosh could be a good option, and when somebody learns to do it well they could do it for others for money. Not only installing MacOS on PCs, but also installing newer versions of MacOS on Macs that are officially not supported anymore.

> A hackintosh could be a good option, and when somebody learns to do it well they could do it for others for money Apple thoroughly screwed over Mac developers that the only compelling software that's exclusive to MacOS is developed by Apple themselves[1], IMO. Even those packages have equivalent (or better) alternatives on Windows. Macs used to be the platform for DTP, audio and video production - now all the 3rd p…

Macs continue to absolutely dominate audio and video production, and desktop publishing. You're just making stuff up.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by shepherdjerred »

hamandcheese wrote: post #106
Retr0id wrote: post #2

macOS supports running as a paravirtualised guest OS (officially, on an apple-hardware host also running macOS). If there is to be a "next gen" of hackintoshing, I think it'd be based on a cut-down linux host acting as a shim between the real hardware and the paravirt interface. See also: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20230830161425.91946-1-graf@amaz... "This patch set introduces a new ARM and HVF specific machine type…

One thing I've been on the hunt for is a good server hypervisor solution for Apple Silicon. I would like to put an Apple Silicon Mac Mini in my rack, and it would be really nice to have a minimally bootstrapped host OS running a handful of macOS VMs for various purposes. The best I'm aware of currently is UTM which has some scripting capabilities. But that is very far off from the experience with Proxmox.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68R2SdbFj-8&themeRefresh=1

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by jen729w »

sp332 wrote: post #112
JohnTHaller wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RAM and storage are both incredibly painful. $200 to add 8GB RAM to the base 8GB (16GB total). $400 to add 16GB RAM to the base (24GB total). $200 to add 256GB storage to the base 256GB (512GB total). $400 to add 768GB storage to the base 256GB (1TB total). $800 to add 1768GB storage to the base 256GB (2TB total). For comparison, a faster 2TB nvme PCIE4 SSD is a bit over $100.

Right, but you can add storage without soldering.

You can, but as someone who is currently juggling external SSDs to try to get a video project finished, I can tell you that you don’t want to.

Hence me yesterday looking at the 4TB upgrade price on the M3 MBP. Hoooooooly cow. I mean I’ll almost certainly get it on my next upgrade, but wow.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by secstate »

bruce511 wrote: post #188
rpdillon wrote: post #169

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People have been making this argument to me about Linux for more than 25 years. The most cutting version that I ran across was: > Linux is only free if your time is worthless! Something never quite sat right with me about this argument, and your comment finally made me understand what it is: the understanding you gain from tinkering is priceless, and it's exactly the experience that you use to help everyone around yo…

I agree that tinkering is a side effect of curiosity, and that curiosity leads to expertise, which has value. I parleyed my curiosity in hardware into my first job. (My car-fixing skills alas didn't take me anywhere.) Hardware was fun for the first 10 years of my career, but now, well, it's just not interesting. I played with Linux as well along the way, but I confess that too has dulled. Building your first machine…

I think the awkward part of your first post is that you appear to start with a value judgement that tinkering is for poor people who's time is worthless. That's not remotely fair to either poor people, or rich people who like to tinker. No one's time is worthless. Not your time. Not mine. It's all just time.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by Unfrozen0688 »

bruce511 wrote: post #13

Back in my youth, when I was time rich and cash poor, this kind of tinkering was fun and a good way to improve the machine I was using. Now that I have more disposable cash, but waaay less time, I couldn't imagine "wasting my time" doing this sort of thing. These days I want to -use- the computer, not spend time trying to convince it to work. Incidentally it's the exact same journey with my cars. 35 years ago I was f…

Yea but thats how you learn.

These ipad kids dont know anything because it all works now for games and netflix. No need for drivers, windows installs etc

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by VHRanger »

sp332 wrote: post #112
JohnTHaller wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RAM and storage are both incredibly painful. $200 to add 8GB RAM to the base 8GB (16GB total). $400 to add 16GB RAM to the base (24GB total). $200 to add 256GB storage to the base 256GB (512GB total). $400 to add 768GB storage to the base 256GB (1TB total). $800 to add 1768GB storage to the base 256GB (2TB total). For comparison, a faster 2TB nvme PCIE4 SSD is a bit over $100.

Right, but you can add storage without soldering.

You can't add nvme that get the nvme level of performance.

Especially not at the level we'd be used to in any other serious isecase (eg. Split PCIe lanes into x4 and have a bunch of fast storage)

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

derefr wrote: post #47
hparadiz wrote: post #28

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It's really not much of a time commitment. You can just lookup hardware with full compatibility and build a desktop that "just works".

The primary demographic of people interested in Hackintoshing are people who, like the GP in their youth, couldn't afford to just buy "hardware with full compatibility", let alone buy the equivalent-specced Mac. The secondary demographic of people interested in Hackintoshing are people who have an existing PC (or enough extra parts to build a second PC) and want to figure out how to "make something that can run macOS…

I remember I needed Hackintosh to build an iPhone app on my PC. You must possess a Mac to make apps for iPhones, don't know why.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by AnthonBerg »

jwells89 wrote: post #81
tripdout wrote: post #61

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There's no GPU acceleration is there?

There can be if you’ve got a spare PCI-E slot to plug a supported AMD GPU into and pass through to the VM.

This works very well, especially if the VM storage is on a fast SSD linux md raid array. Very very snappy Mac working environment.
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