Uh… if anybody has a legitimate .tk domain, how does one keep it alive?
Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown
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Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cloudflare is a US company. If they provide hosting (or reverse proxying; I don't think there's a material legal difference) services for anything illegal under US law, shouldn't it be possible to compel them to stop doing that through the legal system? And if this is about not-illegal-but-objectionable content, I'm actually glad that as an infrastructure company, they're choosing to not get into the business of cont…
> if this is about not-illegal-but-objectionable content, I'm actually glad that as an infrastructure company, they're choosing to not get into the business of content moderation. Agreed. There's one other subset you didn't mention: "Clearly illegal but not yet handled in the court of law". Cloudflare again has a pretty hardline stance that "the courts need to come to us and force us to take it down"
> Clearly illegal but not yet handled in the court of law
Isn't that somewhat of an oxymoron? What are some examples of something that is against the law but not handled by the courts of law?
Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was thinking particularly about the DDoS protections they advertise (and explain in lovely technical posts on this site). So you're saying that they protect their network from others, whilst disregarding harms their clients cause to others. That was something I was missing, so I thank you.
Before cloudflare, it was difficult to run a DDoS-for-hire service because competing services would all DDoS each others' websites. Back when CDNs were all "call for pricing" affairs. Cloudflare had the insight that the more DDoS-for-hire services there were out there, the greater the demand for their services. Offering free DDoS protection to DDoS-for-hire services helps keep customers coming back for more.
> Before cloudflare, it was difficult to run a DDoS-for-hire service because competing services would all DDoS each others' websites.
I mean, you don't need websites to advertise. Most DDoS-for-hire services back before 2009 advertised on IRC, NNTP, via ads in .NFO files found in warez releases found on Kazaa and BitTorrent, and so forth. (Some of the very tech-headed ones ones had Freenet sites.)
Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cloudflare is a US company. If they provide hosting (or reverse proxying; I don't think there's a material legal difference) services for anything illegal under US law, shouldn't it be possible to compel them to stop doing that through the legal system? And if this is about not-illegal-but-objectionable content, I'm actually glad that as an infrastructure company, they're choosing to not get into the business of cont…
> if this is about not-illegal-but-objectionable content, I'm actually glad that as an infrastructure company, they're choosing to not get into the business of content moderation. Agreed. There's one other subset you didn't mention: "Clearly illegal but not yet handled in the court of law". Cloudflare again has a pretty hardline stance that "the courts need to come to us and force us to take it down"
If it's clearly illegal, what prevents it from being handled in any court of law? If it's not actually as clear, preemptive/overzealous compliance can lead to all kinds of undesirable (in a liberal democracy) effects.
I also doubt that Cloudflare lets every single analogous issue bubble up to a full court case every single time, but for new/unclear/borderline scenarios, I'm glad that courts don't get to outsource their duty, i.e. determining the legality of actions, to a for-profit organization without public oversight.
Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown
#145The people complaining that Cloudflare hosts these criminals would be the first ones complaining that Cloudflare has too much power when taking down websites it doesn’t like. You can’t win with these people, I personally think this is the best outcome and shows our systems work (albeit slowly). Sure it took a while, but now there doesn’t have to be a precedent of Cloudflare acting as the internet police more than it…
> The people complaining that Cloudflare hosts these criminals would be the first ones complaining that Cloudflare has too much power when taking down websites it doesn’t like. It'd be interesting if you could point to a single example of someone taking both sides. I strongly doubt these are the same people.
If you're asking me to personally identify someone, no I'm not going to do that. However if you want to see some hilarious hypocrisy, go ahead and see who said what when Cloudflare banned 8chan.
Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Same here. .tk was the only one back then that allowed you to have your own domain name without subdomains. My memory is that: 1. freeserver.com/~userna 2. username.freeserver.com 3. username.fs.com 4. username.tk Then we grew up a bit and started paying domains :')
Im trying to remember I think it was 8m.com or something like that? Which also let you have stuff like username.8m.com its probably gone now. I also miss tripod, not sure if its still around how it used to be. Angelfire comes to mind too.
I remember 20m in the UK, which did basic hosting.
Good times.
Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown
#147The people complaining that Cloudflare hosts these criminals would be the first ones complaining that Cloudflare has too much power when taking down websites it doesn’t like. You can’t win with these people, I personally think this is the best outcome and shows our systems work (albeit slowly). Sure it took a while, but now there doesn’t have to be a precedent of Cloudflare acting as the internet police more than it…
> You can’t win with these people
People who want to live in a just world often get in the way of things. I'm just not sure why you're mad at those who want justice and not those who put profits above all else?
> that Cloudflare hosts these criminals
Oh.. it's not that they host them, it's that they go out of their way to protect them, and the profit streams associated with them.
Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which government do you mean when you say "the government"? Any national government? Only the US government? Only governments in which the US is friendly and/or has agreements with? Would you want authoritarian governments to be able to demand Cloudflare stop serving those they consider criminals that are outside their borders? International law is messy.
The rule of thumb is governments where Cloudflare has equipment, personel, or banking. There is a procedure to get a foreign case recognized in the US, too, but it has to be serious, and it's not an easy process.
CloudFlare has equipment in 120+ countries, including China: https://www.cloudflare.com/network/
I again ask: is it desirable for any of those countries to be able to unilaterally force a company to enforce its laws regardless of where the individual in question is?
Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
Remnant of a time when the Internet was new and geeks would buy all kind of fun domains with odd TLDs.
"new"? I don't remember seeing many of the "odd TLDs" for sale until the web had been around 10-15 years.
Not the TLDs themselves the creative use of them.
I started on the Internet in the (mid) 90s. Back then, it was already common among security conscious folks. A bit later, end 90s, you could buy a shell account for a couple of USD per month. You could run a BNC on it, or IRC client. It had various IPv4 with reverse DNS, this was called vhost. For example, you could end up with I.pwned.the.whole.eu.org and plays where TLD was part of word. Goatse.cx for example reads 'goatsex', Slashdot.org reads 'slashdotdotorg' or 'httpcolonslashslashslashdotdotorg', the founder of first Dutch consumer ISP Xs4all Rop Gonggrijp had gonggri.jp for ages (guess his email address). There are countless of examples.
Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem with .tk was that it would inject ads into your content. And the whole TLD was filled with low quality spam and hacks. I never liked it. $7/yr for a domain was one of the very first internet purchases I made. Then that set me down a path of finding free dynamic DNS services. For a short time my website and Invision forum were only online when I was, but I felt like I'd beaten the advertisers.
I don't remember this. I started using TK domains as a kid in 2017 and you set your own nameserver records and they didn't serve ads.
>kid
>2017
fucking hell