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Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Post by jonathantf2 »

101008 wrote: post #5
thangngoc89 wrote: post #2

Unrelated to the article but seeing .tk brings back many memories. As a kid without a bank account let's alone an international credit card (VISA/Mastercard), dot.tk is the only way to put a website online with your name. I created countless of websites with .tk for classmates, school and families.

Same here. .tk was the only one back then that allowed you to have your own domain name without subdomains. My memory is that: 1. freeserver.com/~userna 2. username.freeserver.com 3. username.fs.com 4. username.tk Then we grew up a bit and started paying domains :')

I remember putting up Minecraft servers under .uk.to, also co.cc

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Post by CydeWeys »

samtho wrote: post #22
toddmorey wrote: post #16

I get .tk was popular because it was free and you do need a home for your website that’s portable across providers (not like a .netlify.app sub). But like we learned from .af, any of these TLDs technically meant for a country need to be considered ephemeral. You are sort of borrowing it without explicit (or lasting) permission.

> You are sort of borrowing it without explicit (or lasting) permission. To be fair, this is true of all domains. The broader concern with ccTLDs is this borrowing dynamic layered with whatever geopolitical situation the country is in, how stable the administering authority is with respect to the current regime, or just the political forces at work within the country that may lead to changes or requirements for the c…

It's not true of gTLDs though. You actually own those domains, and they can't be taken away from you (barring extreme circumstances) so long as you pay the registration fees every year. But domains on ccTLDs can be taken away from you by the government at any time for any reason.

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Post by toast0 »

Caligatio wrote: post #80
AlienRobot wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see. Perhaps there should be a legal framework to get the government to demand companies like cloudflare stop serving these international criminals, then. That way it wouldn't depend on a private entity making the judgement. Do you ever think it's weird that we have gone through web 1.0, web 2.0, semantic web, intertubes clogged with spam bots, web 3.0: crypto edition, and the dawn of AI scraping, and we still have…

Which government do you mean when you say "the government"? Any national government? Only the US government? Only governments in which the US is friendly and/or has agreements with? Would you want authoritarian governments to be able to demand Cloudflare stop serving those they consider criminals that are outside their borders? International law is messy.

The rule of thumb is governments where Cloudflare has equipment, personel, or banking.

There is a procedure to get a foreign case recognized in the US, too, but it has to be serious, and it's not an easy process.

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Post by bdcravens »

Fnoord wrote: post #41
overstay8930 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do orgs feel the need to use these whacky TLDs I’m still of the fence with rust using .rs in important places which is fundamentally in control of the Serbian government. You’re going to have to trust the Serbian government with signing .rs DNSSSEC at minimum and I don’t.

Remnant of a time when the Internet was new and geeks would buy all kind of fun domains with odd TLDs.

"new"? I don't remember seeing many of the "odd TLDs" for sale until the web had been around 10-15 years.

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Post by bdcravens »

rvnx wrote: post #57
overstay8930 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do orgs feel the need to use these whacky TLDs I’m still of the fence with rust using .rs in important places which is fundamentally in control of the Serbian government. You’re going to have to trust the Serbian government with signing .rs DNSSSEC at minimum and I don’t.

Because all .com are already taken and available only after you pay ransom money.

Then use descriptive product names, not cute single words that are being used by 47 other products.

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Post by mcfedr »

newaccount74 wrote: post #94
AlienRobot wrote: post #50

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This seems like such a weird problem to me. If they're criminals, just send the cops? If you can't send the cops, then they aren't criminals? How do you end up in this limbo where you need critical infrastructure to play judge?

Cloudflare shields criminals from cops. They do so because of "free speech" or whatever. There was recently a story about a swatting victim, who tried to get the forum the swatters use to shut down. Cloud flare refused to give the identity of the criminals, the case even went to court and the victim lost and now apparently has to pay court costs. Our legal system is unfortunately not perfect, which is why it matters…

Obviously with no context but what I hear

Is the website illegal? Or maybe the police need to deal with spam calls more sensibly. Presumably they can trace where the calls are coming from in real life

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Post by mcfedr »

yau8edq12i wrote: post #85
overstay8930 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do orgs feel the need to use these whacky TLDs I’m still of the fence with rust using .rs in important places which is fundamentally in control of the Serbian government. You’re going to have to trust the Serbian government with signing .rs DNSSSEC at minimum and I don’t.

Who do you trust?

Not a bunch of pro Russia mafia

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Post by lnxg33k1 »

rightbyte wrote: post #92
lnxg33k1 wrote: post #40

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In italy we had 3000.it https://web.archive.org/web/20010331143129/http://www.kliman... SPOILER: I didn’t become a webdesigner

"Copyright © by klimato ® All Right Reserved" Heh. I remember thinking '©' and '®' being cool letters. I put it on every page since it looked pro. I guess you didn't actually register the "brand"?

Naaah i changed dozens of nicknames since then :D

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Post by lnxg33k1 »

UnlockedSecrets wrote: post #87
lnxg33k1 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In italy we had 3000.it https://web.archive.org/web/20010331143129/http://www.kliman... SPOILER: I didn’t become a webdesigner

But did you become a webmaster?

Yep webhighmaster :D im a software developer now

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Post by xyst »

thangngoc89 wrote: post #2

Unrelated to the article but seeing .tk brings back many memories. As a kid without a bank account let's alone an international credit card (VISA/Mastercard), dot.tk is the only way to put a website online with your name. I created countless of websites with .tk for classmates, school and families.

same - I remember hosting a small web server from a crappy pc at my parents house and using a .tk to serve the site.

Probably not the smartest thing to do at the time since I may have opened up all ports on the router to get it to work, lol. No https. No security. No moderation. Copy and pasted some html from a site that I thought was cool, search and replaced text to make it my own.

It was kind of like a microblog before twitter, fb, ig, blogspot, tumblr.

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