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'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by XorNot »

madaxe_again wrote: post #48
geek_at wrote: post #6

While I can't see "Boeing" (as a whole command structure) can be blamed for his death I do see the possibility of some corrupt person in a high position fearing what he had on him personally and ordered a strike against him.

Boeing is also deeply entwined with state/political entities with a strong vested interest in preserving the status quo who may not be squeamish about direct action. Against the general backdrop of Boeing’s woes, suiciding a whistleblower is low-hanging fruit. Who knows. Maybe he has a deadman’s set up.

Contrary to popular belief, there is not a readily and highly available supply of assassins and hitmen in the world.

The problem with this whole "he totally didn't kill himself" thing is...okay, so how did they kill him? Because you can't just put a gun in the hand of an unwilling person and force them to shoot themselves without leaving evidence.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by dotancohen »

avereveard wrote: post #63
jack_riminton wrote: post #47

If he suspected he was going to be knocked off I wouldn't be surprised if he had recorded or wrote down somewhere all the damming evidence he had

if he suspected he was a target why didn't he buy some home surveillance equipement

Maybe he did? He was found dead in a vehicle in a hotel parking lot.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by aydyn »

gruez wrote: post #52
Gumbledore wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That wouldn't matter. If they really want to send a message, you get suicided with two shots to the back of the head. Having the entire media apparatus complicit in gaslighting the public into accepting absurdity is all part of the demonstration of power and demoralisation ritual.

So which one is it? So far as I can tell he didn't get "suicided with two shots to the back of the head", but despite that you still think the media is complicit in "demonstration of power and demoralisation ritual"?

It's not a contradiction. There are levels.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by bmer »

gruez wrote: post #27
silisili wrote: post #4

This happens way too often, and I'm genuinely curious why. The easy answer is that paranoid people with a vendetta say exactly this to throw guilt onto the other party. The hard answer is harder to swallow. What can we do about it?

>This happens way too often 1. What some other recent occurrences? 2. What's the baseline rate of suicides we should expect for people in high stress positions, like being a whistleblower? How many people could plausibly be categorized as "whistleblowers"?

One prominent one in recent memory is the Epstein "suicide". Aaron Swartz is another, although not so recent.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by forgetfreeman »

XorNot wrote: post #81
madaxe_again wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boeing is also deeply entwined with state/political entities with a strong vested interest in preserving the status quo who may not be squeamish about direct action. Against the general backdrop of Boeing’s woes, suiciding a whistleblower is low-hanging fruit. Who knows. Maybe he has a deadman’s set up.

Contrary to popular belief, there is not a readily and highly available supply of assassins and hitmen in the world. The problem with this whole "he totally didn't kill himself" thing is...okay, so how did they kill him? Because you can't just put a gun in the hand of an unwilling person and force them to shoot themselves without leaving evidence.

No but do you know what your average medical examiner makes? Professional hitmen might be rare af but bribing or otherwise pressuring local officials is pretty pedestrian.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by gruez »

d--b wrote: post #61

Ok there are conspiracy theories, making claims about things that are unlikely. And then there is the key witness that dies in a parking lot by gunshot wound the day before he is to testify on the case he spent decades building. And then there is his friends who swears that he wouldn’t commit suicide. Call me crazy all you want, but murder is the most probable theory here. The money interests are massive. People kill…

The "case" in question is a defamation suit he initiated against Boeing. This has nothing to do with the recent 737 MAX incidents, and the 787 issues he did whistleblow on was litigated to death years ago.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by dudeinjapan »

XorNot wrote: post #81
madaxe_again wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boeing is also deeply entwined with state/political entities with a strong vested interest in preserving the status quo who may not be squeamish about direct action. Against the general backdrop of Boeing’s woes, suiciding a whistleblower is low-hanging fruit. Who knows. Maybe he has a deadman’s set up.

Contrary to popular belief, there is not a readily and highly available supply of assassins and hitmen in the world. The problem with this whole "he totally didn't kill himself" thing is...okay, so how did they kill him? Because you can't just put a gun in the hand of an unwilling person and force them to shoot themselves without leaving evidence.

Haven’t you ever played Assassin’s Creed?

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by DonHopkins »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #21
geek_at wrote: post #6

While I can't see "Boeing" (as a whole command structure) can be blamed for his death I do see the possibility of some corrupt person in a high position fearing what he had on him personally and ordered a strike against him.

I worked for an eBay Inc. company as an executive, never thought that could happen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBay_stalking_scandal

I could certainly believe Boeing would do something like that before I'd ever imagine eBay would, yet eBay did what they did.

The stakes are MUCH higher for Boeing, and we already know quite well that Boeing decided to put many human lives at risk to save money, and that's already resulted in many deaths. And they have a long history of making products designed specifically for killing humans.

https://www.boeing.com/defense

>This trusted partnership continues as defense customers once again look to Boeing to help them solve their toughest challenges.

Faking a suicide isn't a particularly tough challenge.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by zer00eyz »

Yea...

SO if you really feel this way you say this to every reporter you see. You write it down and give it to your lawyer. Your wife. Your kids. You put copies in the safety deposit box. You give notarized copies to every 3rd homeless person you meet.

You don't just tell one friend.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by eggdaft »

XorNot wrote: post #81
madaxe_again wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boeing is also deeply entwined with state/political entities with a strong vested interest in preserving the status quo who may not be squeamish about direct action. Against the general backdrop of Boeing’s woes, suiciding a whistleblower is low-hanging fruit. Who knows. Maybe he has a deadman’s set up.

Contrary to popular belief, there is not a readily and highly available supply of assassins and hitmen in the world. The problem with this whole "he totally didn't kill himself" thing is...okay, so how did they kill him? Because you can't just put a gun in the hand of an unwilling person and force them to shoot themselves without leaving evidence.

Citation needed for your first statement, certainly doesn’t rhyme true with what I hear in the UK.

As for mocking suicide… I think you’d have to talk to a professional about what they do it. Given David Kelly, Epstein, and many other high profile cases, it does seem to be as difficult as you imagine.

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