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Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by Descon »

LegibleCrimson wrote: post #231
rory wrote: post #215

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I wonder if a more workable arrangement would stipulate that indigenous people are exempt from these regulations only when the work and management of a project is also designed and implemented by Indigenous people. That would seemingly circumvent this loophole where a large, private corporation run by white canadians effectively uses the indigenous people as a loophole, cutting them in to circumvent regulations. Woul…

Would be pretty easy for a motivated corporation to set up a branch composed entirely of those indigenous people for the purpose, or to form a partnership with a company of those indigenous people.

This can and does happen

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by masterj »

spxneo wrote: post #268
masterj wrote: post #204

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Of all the bad racist NIMBY rants, this is definitely one of them

I do not own a home so I can't be a NIMBY. If you understood remotely what is taking place here in the Western world, you wouldn't be saying this. Instead what you should be describing is a inverse colonialism in the West where NIMBYs are the benefactors treating everybody like serfs. Those NIMBYs were blue collar workers in the 70s, 80s who bought when homes cost next to nothing, and now oppressing everybody. Be car…

Sure thing bud

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Post by Auracle »

Seattle3503 wrote: post #113
spxneo wrote: post #102

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Building more homes in Vancouver will not result in lower prices because this is not a supply problem it is the financial assetization of home equity that drives higher and higher prices. Blue collar workers turned multi-millionaires rely on the continued rise of home prices to purchase cheap credit which they use to speculate on more homes. When they couldn't find anymore locals they turned to the international mark…

It is a mistake to blame the high cost of housing on market forces. It is largely the product of local housing policy. It is a choice.

Home prices in Canada and US have been climbing at insane rates pretty much everywhere, including rural areas. People in cities tend to ignore market force because they’re only focused on their city.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by Auracle »

davis wrote: post #177
spxneo wrote: post #102

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Building more homes in Vancouver will not result in lower prices because this is not a supply problem it is the financial assetization of home equity that drives higher and higher prices. Blue collar workers turned multi-millionaires rely on the continued rise of home prices to purchase cheap credit which they use to speculate on more homes. When they couldn't find anymore locals they turned to the international mark…

Building more housing (of all kinds) == cheaper housing. Sorry but it really is that simple.

Or, alternatively, less people/demand.

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Post by novok »

floren wrote: post #249
comeonbro wrote: post #129

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I don't know if it's fair to call a bridge a stroad

"stroad" is just a shibboleth for people with "urbanist" in their Mastodon profiles, sometimes it slips out where it doesn't really make sense.

do you know it's definition?

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by dangus »

skrbjc wrote: post #188
dangus wrote: post #71

The critics of this project seem to be outright racist. I don’t think that’s an overstatement. They’re basically saying that Indigenous people aren’t allowed to participate in the modern world. You’re not allowed to be urbanist if you were “less advanced than the white people” three hundred years ago. And they’re butthurt about the development not having the need to comply with Vancouver development rules. Yeah, well…

How would you feel if they decided to turn it into a landfill or a nuclear powerplant or a massive chemical production facility that didn't have to comply with environmental laws. It's great they want to build big buildings, but the reality is if you say a group of people are above the law, then they can do whatever they want, including things that would be solely in their interest and in no-one else's.

It’s kind of ironic to speak about environmental destruction and groups of people being above the law in the context of Indigenous history in the Americas.

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Post by Aloisius »

grecy wrote: post #270
gotoeleven wrote: post #173

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How can this work in practice, though? Wouldn't acknowledging indigenous peoples' sovereign rights over their lands require the formation of entirely new nations with their own borders and laws and military and courts etc etc that would cover the entirety of canada ? If they are have the right of a sovereign over these lands then can't they just tell everyone else to leave?

Yes, that is exactly the case today. There are 43 self-governing first nations communities in Canada where "Canadian" laws mean nothing, and "Canadian" police have no power. https://www.rcaanc-cirnac.gc.ca/eng/1100100032275/1529354547...

Em. That says:

* Under self-government, Indigenous laws operate in harmony with federal and provincial laws. Indigenous laws protecting culture and language generally take priority if there is a conflict among laws

* However, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the Canadian Human Rights Act and other general laws such as the Criminal Code continue to apply

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Post by rkagerer »

nikitaga wrote: post #261
defrost wrote: post #239

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> Legally, Canada does have title to the land is that under Canadian law? Was this land openly sold | gifted to Canada or staked and claimed despite prior occupation? I recognise the current state of affairs, etc. but this "Legally Canada owns the land" is at root just a way of saying "might makes right, we took it, it's ours now, and we will shoot or imprison anyone who says otherwise".

> might makes right That's how it works, sadly. Everywhere, not just here. The part you're missing is that "we" – the people living in Canada today – did not steal anyone's land. Certainly neither myself nor my ancestors. The original British settlers who stole the land are not us, they are long dead. You can always look into the past to find injustices to use as an excuse to perpetuate horrible things in the present…

Wasn't pretty much every country in the world established as a result of war, or one group taking it from another at some point in the past if you go back far enough?

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Post by nightowl_games »

grecy wrote: post #269
nightowl_games wrote: post #172

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> power over lands that they never legally ceded to British Columbia or Canada. Actually curious about this concept of "unceded land". If it's not Canada's land then can I come in there and break laws and say Canadian law doesn't apply because it's not Canada? Seems like this "unceded land" concept is only applied selectively?

> If it's not Canada's land then can I come in there and break laws and say Canadian law doesn't apply because it's not Canada? There are 43 first nations communities in Canada that are entirely self-governing. The Canadian Police have no power and no jurisdiction, and the community deals with everything entirely itself. So, yes, First Nations people in those communities break "Canadian" laws every single day and not…

> The Canadian Police have no power and no jurisdiction, and the community deals with everything entirely itself.

I highly doubt that this is true in practise.

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Post by typewithrhythm »

FpUser wrote: post #247
ximus wrote: post #120

It's comforting to see first nations of canada recovering a central role in modern canadian society. However, having lived here for a year a year now, I have observed a concerning aspect of this re-integration, which is mentioned in the article: First nations aren't just propped back up and re-integrated in society, it goes further in that they are given special rights that go beyond what any other class of canadian…

>"On moral grounds, I find it questionable to give some citizens special birth rights greater than others." They did not ask to be a citizens of Canada. They were invaded, conquered, killed and actively suppressed. Mistreatment still continues. How's that for moral grounds?

Morality really only has relevance to an individual. Was it moral to invade Canada? No, at least not under contemporary morality.

Is it moral to give a random subset of people special rights in modern Canada? Is a seperate question, that has nothing to do with historical treatment.

My take is that the current government does not adequately represent several groups in Canada, and the best solution would be to allow for separatist actions as a fundamental human right.

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