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Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by dangus »

The critics of this project seem to be outright racist. I don’t think that’s an overstatement.

They’re basically saying that Indigenous people aren’t allowed to participate in the modern world. You’re not allowed to be urbanist if you were “less advanced than the white people” three hundred years ago.

And they’re butthurt about the development not having the need to comply with Vancouver development rules. Yeah, well, sorry not sorry you weren’t able to steal all the land. Nothing is stopping y’all from changing the rules in Vancouver and building something similar.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by mistrial9 »

dangus wrote: post #70
Yizahi wrote: post #66

Moderately dense development - good High rise developments enclosed in glass - bad Plants on the skyscraper terraces - sheer stupidity and bullshit, used only for pretty marketing 3D art If they made those high rises a 5-6 floor buildings instead, with no b/s trees on the balconies but instead planted them in the ground, that would be much more boring, cheaper and much more comfortable to live there.

There are a lot of examples of successful, affordable, pleasant skyscraper developments across the world. The entirety of the Vancouver city core is an example itself. It seems rather prescriptive to declare tower living uncomfortable when so many people enjoy it. Just look at some rental listings in the South Loop neighborhood of Chicago. You can get a 2 bedroom apartment in a modern glass tower with amenities galor…

> successful, affordable, pleasant skyscraper developments

that depends entirely on the cultural and social expectations of humans who are supposed to live there

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by mjr00 »

Yizahi wrote: post #66

Moderately dense development - good High rise developments enclosed in glass - bad Plants on the skyscraper terraces - sheer stupidity and bullshit, used only for pretty marketing 3D art If they made those high rises a 5-6 floor buildings instead, with no b/s trees on the balconies but instead planted them in the ground, that would be much more boring, cheaper and much more comfortable to live there.

> Moderately dense development - good > High rise developments enclosed in glass - bad

Can you explain why you think this?

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by mynameisvlad »

dukeyukey wrote: post #56
mynameisvlad wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn’t use GVRD/Metro Vancouver as an estimate; things get quite a bit cheaper in the other cities.

But isn't this development entirely within Metro Vancouver, and apparently in an expensive part of it too?

Sorry, I think I was unclear in that original comment once I read the replies and read it back.

GVRD/Metro Vancouver encompasses Vancouver and surrounding cities, as far east as Langley and Port Moody. The prices decrease quite a bit as you get further away from Downtown Vancouver and the city in general.

“Other cities” in my original comment meant these outlying ones, not ones outside of the GVRD. The prices in False Creek are going to be much higher than the GVRD average.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by mynameisvlad »

mjr00 wrote: post #64
mynameisvlad wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn’t use GVRD/Metro Vancouver as an estimate; things get quite a bit cheaper in the other cities.

This development is being built on the waterfront across False Creek from downtown; it is prime real estate. Given that + being brand new, units will sell far above the Vancouver average. As a guess, studio units in this complex will start at 750k, 1 beds at 1m and 2beds at 1.5m. Maybe higher.

Sure, my point was that City of Vancouver averages are going to be higher than GVRD and that average condo cost doesn’t mean a lot when it includes condos from places like Port Moody, Port Coquitlam, Langley and even Surrey.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by jamwil »

vivekd wrote: post #11
lwansbrough wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In terms of land/home ownership, what it has meant in other parts of the metro area, is leaseholds. You can “buy” a property at a slightly reduced cost which will be reclaimed after several decades (100 years?), usually starting from the time of development. In terms of laws, policing is handled by the local police force, ie. VPD. While there is rhetoric about sovereignty, practically speaking much of the challenging…

I remember reading that natives are not allowed to sell tribal lands in Canada Might not be a huge bar though , they could put it up as rental property which we desperately need in Canadian cities - and their website suggests that's exactly what they're doing https://senakw.com/vision

I don’t think they would be limited to rentals given the leasehold titles he mentions as a likely framework. The same is true of national lands or parks — you can buy a property in the Banff townsite, or on Port Authority lands, for instance, but it’s a leasehold title and the land reverts to the crown at expiry.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by verticalscaler »

refurb wrote: post #62
verticalscaler wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who the fuck are you, white man, to say what is and is not consistent with an "Indigenous way of building"? Who the fuck are you, white man, to say "It's high time the indigenous people reclaimed their sovereignty"? You're foisting your notions of sovereignty and time unto them, which is racist. P.S.: I'm indigenous ;)

How is sovereignty and time in any way subjective?

According to CNN being on time and indeed, daylights savings time, are forms of white supremacy. Although prior to being informed of this all I saw when glancing at my wrist was Mickey Mouse. Did not occur to me the rat bastard was out to get me.

I suppose whether I am being rescued by my white saviors espousing this new age philosophy or tormented and infantilized is a subjective matter.

It is important for us to remember not to judge a man until you've walked three full moons in his moccasins. ;)

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by faeriechangling »

brabel wrote: post #63

Everyone is really happy to concede some power to another group as long as that group is seen as completely harmless, and they continue to do that out of guilty, knowing that they completely replaced the other group. It really gets interesting is when the other group starts to gain power and assert its power, as being done here. At some point, tables may turn and said group may become again the top dog. It probably w…

The indigenous population is gradually increasing over time, which is a curious thing in a country whose leader who has confessed to presiding over an active genocide against them.

It would take many generations of this trend happening for the Indigenous to become big players, but also not THAT long, maybe a couple hundred years.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by faeriechangling »

dangus wrote: post #71

The critics of this project seem to be outright racist. I don’t think that’s an overstatement. They’re basically saying that Indigenous people aren’t allowed to participate in the modern world. You’re not allowed to be urbanist if you were “less advanced than the white people” three hundred years ago. And they’re butthurt about the development not having the need to comply with Vancouver development rules. Yeah, well…

You might think so but nimby’s hatred of tall buildings is not at all limited to the ones the Squamish nation is building, as evidenced by the lack of buildings this tall. It’d be more racist for them to make an exception to their usual moaning about tall buildings just because it was the Squamish doing the building.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by faeriechangling »

lisper wrote: post #3

I think this is terrific. It's high time the indigenous people reclaimed their sovereignty. The idea that "When you’re building 30, 40-storey high rises out of concrete, there’s a big gap between that and an Indigenous way of building" is just ridiculous. Who the fuck are you, white man, to say what is and is not consistent with an "Indigenous way of building"? You aren't living the same lifestyle and building the sa…

Hating/liking this project is going to fall on age lines more than racial ones, the age demo of hacker news is likely to almost universally LOVE this project.
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