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Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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I think this is terrific. It's high time the indigenous people reclaimed their sovereignty. The idea that "When you’re building 30, 40-storey high rises out of concrete, there’s a big gap between that and an Indigenous way of building" is just ridiculous. Who the fuck are you, white man, to say what is and is not consistent with an "Indigenous way of building"? You aren't living the same lifestyle and building the sa…

You’re so virtuous

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

#62
post #3

I think this is terrific. It's high time the indigenous people reclaimed their sovereignty. The idea that "When you’re building 30, 40-storey high rises out of concrete, there’s a big gap between that and an Indigenous way of building" is just ridiculous. Who the fuck are you, white man, to say what is and is not consistent with an "Indigenous way of building"? You aren't living the same lifestyle and building the sa…

> Who the fuck are you, white man, to say what is and is not consistent with an "Indigenous way of building"? Who the fuck are you, white man, to say "It's high time the indigenous people reclaimed their sovereignty"? You're foisting your notions of sovereignty and time unto them, which is racist. P.S.: I'm indigenous ;)

How is sovereignty and time in any way subjective?

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

#63
Everyone is really happy to concede some power to another group as long as that group is seen as completely harmless, and they continue to do that out of guilty, knowing that they completely replaced the other group. It really gets interesting is when the other group starts to gain power and assert its power, as being done here. At some point, tables may turn and said group may become again the top dog. It probably won't happen in our lifetime, but these things do happen over centuries - to the point people actually forget who the powerful group was before.

A simple example: the Tatars in Krimea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Tatars). Once, they invaded and took it over from its original inhabitants (descendants of Greeks and Sarmatians, a very different people). Over a long time, however, they become minority again, specially after they were mostly removed by the Soviets and today they are a minority group (the Eurovision winner in 2016, Jamala, for Ukraine, sang about the Tatars: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamala).

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

#64
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The average condo sold in Greater Vancouver was 827k CAD in Feb 24. So the 6000 units here should be worth at least 4.8B CAD

I wouldn’t use GVRD/Metro Vancouver as an estimate; things get quite a bit cheaper in the other cities.

This development is being built on the waterfront across False Creek from downtown; it is prime real estate. Given that + being brand new, units will sell far above the Vancouver average. As a guess, studio units in this complex will start at 750k, 1 beds at 1m and 2beds at 1.5m. Maybe higher.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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The native nation, Squamish Nation, used to own the entire parcel of land immediately north of the 10 acres land mentioned in this article as a reservation granted by the former-colonial government (a native village stood in Vancouver downtown but the colonial gov forced them to move across the inlet).

But thru multiple forced relocations and unceded land take over, the reservation was gradually taken over.

>Slowly, from 1886 to 1902, Indigenous peoples were removed from their traditional village sites and homes and required to live on reserves. As the City grew around them, legislation was enacted that required all Indigenous peoples on reserve be removed if the population around them exceeded 1,000 settlers. In 1913, this happened at Sen̓áḵw. A barge arrived, and the residents were instructed to board the barge to receive funds from the Indian Agent. Once everyone from the village had boarded the barge, it was pulled from the beach and set adrift into English Bay. The village was then set on fire and burned to the ground. The owner of Cates Tugs, seeing the barge drifting precariously in the Bay, went to the rescue and towed the barge to Capilano Reserve, located in North Vancouver.

https://bardonthebeach.org/history-of-senakw/

It was only thru recent lawsuit and legislation that part of the reserve (an awkward T shape in the middle of wide stroads) was returned.

The 10acre of land in this article- https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kitsilano+6,+Vancouver,+BC...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/little-known...

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

#66
Moderately dense development - good

High rise developments enclosed in glass - bad

Plants on the skyscraper terraces - sheer stupidity and bullshit, used only for pretty marketing 3D art

If they made those high rises a 5-6 floor buildings instead, with no b/s trees on the balconies but instead planted them in the ground, that would be much more boring, cheaper and much more comfortable to live there.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

#67
post #3

I think this is terrific. It's high time the indigenous people reclaimed their sovereignty. The idea that "When you’re building 30, 40-storey high rises out of concrete, there’s a big gap between that and an Indigenous way of building" is just ridiculous. Who the fuck are you, white man, to say what is and is not consistent with an "Indigenous way of building"? You aren't living the same lifestyle and building the sa…

Unhinged

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the quote is from a white man called Gordon Price. Full quote to assist you. "In 2022, Gordon Price, a prominent Vancouver urban planner and a former city councillor, told Gitxsan reporter Angela Sterritt, “When you’re building 30, 40-storey high rises out of concrete, there’s a big gap between that and an Indigenous way of building." "White man" can be used in that form when the white man appears to be telli…

Sure if you want to be racist. The shoe on the other foot, replace White man with Black man, Red man, etc and its clear that its racist.

Five year olds and internet commenters care about things being even-handed and fair.

The rest of the world either settles their matters or employs lawyers to do so for them. Most time settlement is a disappointing serving a crow, hence the glint of involving the courts. How much will that serving of crow cost?

Why do I bring this up? This “replace X with Y” is the ultimate form of an algebraic rhetoric that demands a fully balanced system of mathematical perfection as if this were a reasonable way to go about things.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

#69
post #48

Let me see if I got this. 1. Settlers colonize indigenous lands, drive indigenous people into small parcels and reservations and try to exterminate their culture. 2. Settlers decide to start refusing to build enough housing for themselves because they don’t want to alter the “character of the neighborhood” after… uhh… very much doing that. 3. Indigenous people build housing on their remaining bits of land for settler…

The downvoters are blind to this brilliance of solving the housing crisis while decolonizing. Is this not what leftists want?

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

#70
post #66

Moderately dense development - good High rise developments enclosed in glass - bad Plants on the skyscraper terraces - sheer stupidity and bullshit, used only for pretty marketing 3D art If they made those high rises a 5-6 floor buildings instead, with no b/s trees on the balconies but instead planted them in the ground, that would be much more boring, cheaper and much more comfortable to live there.

There are a lot of examples of successful, affordable, pleasant skyscraper developments across the world. The entirety of the Vancouver city core is an example itself. It seems rather prescriptive to declare tower living uncomfortable when so many people enjoy it.

Just look at some rental listings in the South Loop neighborhood of Chicago. You can get a 2 bedroom apartment in a modern glass tower with amenities galore for well under $3,000 a month in the heart of America’s second largest downtown.

Imagine living completely car-free in a neighborhood like that and commuting 10 minutes to get to your downtown job. (Walk, bike, and transit score >90)

I personally think that’s way more comfortable (and physically safe) than a suburban lifestyle where you’re trapped in your car on a stroad or freeway for every daily need.

As far as vegetated skyscrapers, there are widely acclaimed examples like the Bosco Verticale. It’s not a new concept and I’m not sure what the negative is supposed to be. Plants are bad?

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