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Re: Vehicle brakes produce charged particles that may harm public health: study

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Post by davely »

Kodiack wrote: post #290
kjkjadksj wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can engine brake with a gas car if its manual transmission too

You can engine brake with a lot of automatic vehicles as well, since they’ll still have semi-automatic modes. I drive a car with a CVT and I’m able to “down-shift” for engine braking by using fake gears at specific ratios.

I feel like the distinction here is that you have to go out of your way to do this with ICE vehicles? Maybe I’m in the minority then, but I never do this with my car (which has CVT).

I tried it a few times, thought it was a gimmick and now I just use gas or brake.

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Post by bluSCALE4 »

lostlogin wrote: post #244
bluSCALE4 wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most drivers are virtue signalers. Until we have eco batteries or hydrogen buses and trains are the only real eco solution.

> Most drivers are virtue signalers An amazing claim.

Majority don't buy their electricity from green suppliers and don't care where their batteries come from. Cobalt mines are hell. Either way, I stand by what I said. Spending 40k+ on a 10 year product that will cost 20k+ to refurbish isn't green. My 12 yo EV battery cost more than the car to replace.

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Post by bluSCALE4 »

chgs wrote: post #242
bluSCALE4 wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most drivers are virtue signalers. Until we have eco batteries or hydrogen buses and trains are the only real eco solution.

What is wrong with overhead electric for trains? Why some oil company shill nonsense about hydrogen?

They're ugly but I'd love them if I had them. Why the hate for hydrogen? Mark my words, we're being forced to upgrade our HVAC systems to be "green" the use TONS of electricity when in 20-40 years, we're going to do it all over again to move on to hydrogen. I'm already spending $300 a month on electricity using "green" tech. The second I can produce my own hydrogen, I will.

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Post by bluSCALE4 »

kube-system wrote: post #274
pastage wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Busses are viable as long as you make them viable. If you have a busstation at a 1 km distance you can make it viable in most places even with the mega sprawl of the US. The economical incentives of a car economy is perverse it is the tradgedy of the commons distilled.

Most of the US has single digit numbers of people per square km. And the average daily commute is 61 km. And suburban sprawl had led to the decline in city centers. Low density, high distance, and poor directionality are very significant challenges for planning a bus line. Have you used bus systems in the US? Even in cities that have made a large investment in bus service, it can be a challenge.

I personally loved taking busses and trains when I lived in the city. I didn't go far but with a pass I'd take them all the time. I now live in a suburban sprawl and I can never convince my wife to bus it. She usually has a point: it's pretty inconvenient to get from our home to a bus/train stop. I live by a train but would love it if they were electric though that'd do nothing to reduce brake dust.

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Post by kwhitefoot »

fsckboy wrote: post #80
kwhitefoot wrote: post #55

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> for the average person. For the average horse rider perhaps but not the average person. Most people were never on a horse.

if enough people on horses fall off and die, the average could still win over the population. I don't have the original statistic I saw in front of me, but that's how I interpreted it. and in agricultural times in the US, I'd say most people were on horses.

> in agricultural times in the US, I'd say most people were on horses.

But most people weren't riding them. A horse and cart is much more efficient.

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Post by lostlogin »

bluSCALE4 wrote: post #312
lostlogin wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most drivers are virtue signalers An amazing claim.

Majority don't buy their electricity from green suppliers and don't care where their batteries come from. Cobalt mines are hell. Either way, I stand by what I said. Spending 40k+ on a 10 year product that will cost 20k+ to refurbish isn't green. My 12 yo EV battery cost more than the car to replace.

In some places it’s fairly hard to get power that isn’t generated by renewables. In New Zealand the grid is 80%+ renewable and my supplier is 100% renewable.

My EV cost $13k and was fairly new at purchase.

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Post by bluSCALE4 »

lostlogin wrote: post #316
bluSCALE4 wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Majority don't buy their electricity from green suppliers and don't care where their batteries come from. Cobalt mines are hell. Either way, I stand by what I said. Spending 40k+ on a 10 year product that will cost 20k+ to refurbish isn't green. My 12 yo EV battery cost more than the car to replace.

In some places it’s fairly hard to get power that isn’t generated by renewables. In New Zealand the grid is 80%+ renewable and my supplier is 100% renewable. My EV cost $13k and was fairly new at purchase.

In IL there are no green providers but 3rd parties provide it somehow from TX. I'm not sure how it works but it's quite expensive. I did it for a few years but stopped. Now, with my increase in energy usage due to moving away from gas, it's hard to justify. In the United States, we want to move everything to electric and I believe that's a mistake. Not without nuclear power to subsidize costs. I'd imagine my monthly costs would be closer to $400, which I believe to be insane.

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Post by pastage »

kube-system wrote: post #274
pastage wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Busses are viable as long as you make them viable. If you have a busstation at a 1 km distance you can make it viable in most places even with the mega sprawl of the US. The economical incentives of a car economy is perverse it is the tradgedy of the commons distilled.

Most of the US has single digit numbers of people per square km. And the average daily commute is 61 km. And suburban sprawl had led to the decline in city centers. Low density, high distance, and poor directionality are very significant challenges for planning a bus line. Have you used bus systems in the US? Even in cities that have made a large investment in bus service, it can be a challenge.

I know it sucks living in the US without a car, I do think it is important to know that it can be done. You are going to have to prioritize though. I've lived carless in some of the most car dependent places of the earth, including the US so I know what makes that a great deal.

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Post by kube-system »

pastage wrote: post #318
kube-system wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the US has single digit numbers of people per square km. And the average daily commute is 61 km. And suburban sprawl had led to the decline in city centers. Low density, high distance, and poor directionality are very significant challenges for planning a bus line. Have you used bus systems in the US? Even in cities that have made a large investment in bus service, it can be a challenge.

I know it sucks living in the US without a car, I do think it is important to know that it can be done. You are going to have to prioritize though. I've lived carless in some of the most car dependent places of the earth, including the US so I know what makes that a great deal.

I closely know people who have lived in extreme rural areas of the US without a car. You are right that it is possible. But it certainly presented significant challenges. There's a reason why people buy cars in the US.

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Post by bluSCALE4 »

rubicon33 wrote: post #185
bluSCALE4 wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EVs also don't really use brakes. They mainly use regen braking. 50k miles and on the same pads.

My standard non EV gas car is 45k same pads?

I should add a little bit of honesty here. I did replace my brakes but only because they were rusting from not being used enough! So I bought stainless steel pads and those look great.
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