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FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Post by cogman10 »

jdminhbg wrote: post #9
hedora wrote: post #5

With how many 9's of availability, and at what latency? Frontier is advertising 3 nines average network-wide availability for their new fiber network. Three nines is completely unacceptable, but our neighborhood barely got one nine last year. Based on their current behavior, there's zero chance of them providing the bandwidths they're advertising for the new build out, even when the network is completely up and compl…

> Three nines is completely unacceptable Less than 9 hrs of downtime per year is unacceptable for consumer internet?

If we limit it to issues that the ISP owns, then I'd say yes.

What does the ISP have that can cause 9 hours worth of outages throughout the year? The only thing I could think of is the ISP being targeted by a massive DDOS attack.

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Post by akira2501 »

nerdjon wrote: post #2

Going to be interesting to see how they respond. Do consumers care or differentiate “broadband” anymore? Why do I feel like they might just pivot to not using the word “broadband” at all anymore and use some internal branding like the stupid 10g crap Comcast tried. Thankfully they were told to stop but if they are more careful…

Consumers don't. Monopolistic corporations filing paperwork to get their hands on tax dollars probably do. Thankfully for them, the FCC is about as toothless and captured as you can get, so it probably even only barely matters to them.

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Post by rsynnott »

google234123 wrote: post #19

This is over regulation imo. If you support this then you can’t complain about there not being any low cost housing because it’s regulations akin to this that is increasing the costs. 25->100 is more of a luxury then a necessity

… WAit, how, precisely, does this make housing more expensive? Like, what is the method of action?

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Post by dwheeler »

jedberg wrote: post #16
jdminhbg wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Three nines is completely unacceptable Less than 9 hrs of downtime per year is unacceptable for consumer internet?

It is when you work from home.

Often you can use cell phone or a coffee shop if it's say 2 days/year of internet downtime.

If you need it for an emergency call, you need higher reliability, but you can prioritize, and I don't know how common landlines are any more.

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Post by SkyPuncher »

hedora wrote: post #5

With how many 9's of availability, and at what latency? Frontier is advertising 3 nines average network-wide availability for their new fiber network. Three nines is completely unacceptable, but our neighborhood barely got one nine last year. Based on their current behavior, there's zero chance of them providing the bandwidths they're advertising for the new build out, even when the network is completely up and compl…

3 9s is completely fine. Internet is not subject to the 911 uptime requirements.

3 9s is essentially an outage or two from a major storm. That’s fine for residential internet.

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Post by tanepiper »

oivey wrote: post #15
reaperman wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be fine with 99.9% availability to my house. That means it's down for at most 9 hours per year. That's probably on par with how much my electricity goes out during an average winter. But what they mean by "99.9% network-wide availability" and what I mean by "99.9% availability to my house" are very, very different things.

That’s crazy. If my electric was out for that long consistently I’d lose my shit. That’s totally unacceptable.

I guess we can count you out the apocalypse then?

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Post by rrr_oh_man »

oivey wrote: post #15
reaperman wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be fine with 99.9% availability to my house. That means it's down for at most 9 hours per year. That's probably on par with how much my electricity goes out during an average winter. But what they mean by "99.9% network-wide availability" and what I mean by "99.9% availability to my house" are very, very different things.

That’s crazy. If my electric was out for that long consistently I’d lose my shit. That’s totally unacceptable.

I was in Kazakhstan for some time. No electricity, clean/cold/hot water, heating for days at a time. In winter and in summer.

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Post by dghlsakjg »

jdminhbg wrote: post #9
hedora wrote: post #5

With how many 9's of availability, and at what latency? Frontier is advertising 3 nines average network-wide availability for their new fiber network. Three nines is completely unacceptable, but our neighborhood barely got one nine last year. Based on their current behavior, there's zero chance of them providing the bandwidths they're advertising for the new build out, even when the network is completely up and compl…

> Three nines is completely unacceptable Less than 9 hrs of downtime per year is unacceptable for consumer internet?

I live in semi-rural Canada and get better service than that, but I would be fine with more downtime.

OTOH, I frequently have scheduled power outage times that exceed that metric so it sort of doesn't matter, and that's ignoring unscheduled power outages (a necessary part of life in a temperate rain forest with above ground power). I've taken to keeping a small generator handy to power the modem.

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Post by wmf »

cogman10 wrote: post #21
jdminhbg wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Three nines is completely unacceptable Less than 9 hrs of downtime per year is unacceptable for consumer internet?

If we limit it to issues that the ISP owns, then I'd say yes. What does the ISP have that can cause 9 hours worth of outages throughout the year? The only thing I could think of is the ISP being targeted by a massive DDOS attack.

It's easy to have a single outage over 9 hours if they wait 8 hours to send somebody out.
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