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FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Post by simlevesque »

hedora wrote: post #5

With how many 9's of availability, and at what latency? Frontier is advertising 3 nines average network-wide availability for their new fiber network. Three nines is completely unacceptable, but our neighborhood barely got one nine last year. Based on their current behavior, there's zero chance of them providing the bandwidths they're advertising for the new build out, even when the network is completely up and compl…

> our neighborhood barely got one nine last year

Internet it available less than 10% of the year where you live ?

Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Post by reaperman »

hedora wrote: post #10
reaperman wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be fine with 99.9% availability to my house. That means it's down for at most 9 hours per year. That's probably on par with how much my electricity goes out during an average winter. But what they mean by "99.9% network-wide availability" and what I mean by "99.9% availability to my house" are very, very different things.

It could also mean nine one hour outages during working hours or one out of 1000 web browser requests fail on average. However, I suspect that the actual availability is extremely skewed, given the one nine they delivered to our area.

> It could also mean nine one hour outages during working hours or one out of 1000 web browser requests fail on average.

Totally fine with both of these, even as someone who works from home.

> However, I suspect that the actual availability is extremely skewed, given the one nine they delivered to our area.

And this is what I'd find unacceptable.

Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Post by bhelkey »

simlevesque wrote: post #11
hedora wrote: post #5

With how many 9's of availability, and at what latency? Frontier is advertising 3 nines average network-wide availability for their new fiber network. Three nines is completely unacceptable, but our neighborhood barely got one nine last year. Based on their current behavior, there's zero chance of them providing the bandwidths they're advertising for the new build out, even when the network is completely up and compl…

> our neighborhood barely got one nine last year Internet it available less than 10% of the year where you live ?

One nine should be 90% availability I would imagine.

Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Post by oivey »

reaperman wrote: post #6
hedora wrote: post #5

With how many 9's of availability, and at what latency? Frontier is advertising 3 nines average network-wide availability for their new fiber network. Three nines is completely unacceptable, but our neighborhood barely got one nine last year. Based on their current behavior, there's zero chance of them providing the bandwidths they're advertising for the new build out, even when the network is completely up and compl…

I'd be fine with 99.9% availability to my house. That means it's down for at most 9 hours per year. That's probably on par with how much my electricity goes out during an average winter. But what they mean by "99.9% network-wide availability" and what I mean by "99.9% availability to my house" are very, very different things.

That’s crazy. If my electric was out for that long consistently I’d lose my shit. That’s totally unacceptable.

Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Post by jedberg »

jdminhbg wrote: post #9
hedora wrote: post #5

With how many 9's of availability, and at what latency? Frontier is advertising 3 nines average network-wide availability for their new fiber network. Three nines is completely unacceptable, but our neighborhood barely got one nine last year. Based on their current behavior, there's zero chance of them providing the bandwidths they're advertising for the new build out, even when the network is completely up and compl…

> Three nines is completely unacceptable Less than 9 hrs of downtime per year is unacceptable for consumer internet?

It is when you work from home.

Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Post by hedora »

jdminhbg wrote: post #9
hedora wrote: post #5

With how many 9's of availability, and at what latency? Frontier is advertising 3 nines average network-wide availability for their new fiber network. Three nines is completely unacceptable, but our neighborhood barely got one nine last year. Based on their current behavior, there's zero chance of them providing the bandwidths they're advertising for the new build out, even when the network is completely up and compl…

> Three nines is completely unacceptable Less than 9 hrs of downtime per year is unacceptable for consumer internet?

Traditionally, it was unacceptable for landline service, since it's safety critical. (You need to be able to call 911.)

I poked around to try to figure out what the current requirements are, and it looks like they've mostly been scrapped. "Central office backup power" is required, which matches my experience attempting to get terrestrial internet or cell service during power outages.

Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Post by hedora »

simlevesque wrote: post #11
hedora wrote: post #5

With how many 9's of availability, and at what latency? Frontier is advertising 3 nines average network-wide availability for their new fiber network. Three nines is completely unacceptable, but our neighborhood barely got one nine last year. Based on their current behavior, there's zero chance of them providing the bandwidths they're advertising for the new build out, even when the network is completely up and compl…

> our neighborhood barely got one nine last year Internet it available less than 10% of the year where you live ?

It was out for about a month total for some of our neighbors. (Repeated outages, not just one.)

Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Post by Johnny555 »

hedora wrote: post #5

With how many 9's of availability, and at what latency? Frontier is advertising 3 nines average network-wide availability for their new fiber network. Three nines is completely unacceptable, but our neighborhood barely got one nine last year. Based on their current behavior, there's zero chance of them providing the bandwidths they're advertising for the new build out, even when the network is completely up and compl…

Why isn't 3 9's acceptable for residential home internet? That's less than 9 hours of downtime a year, 44 minutes/month.

Sure, I'd like 4 or even 5 9's, but I don't want to pay for it -- each additional 9 is exponentially more expensive to guarantee, and few people are willing to pay for that much reliability for their own network gear.

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