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I always knew I was different, I didn't know I was a sociopath

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Re: I always knew I was different, I didn't know I was a sociopath

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> The best fit in a healthy society, I think, is doing things that others can’t, like extreme sport type of stuff, or astronaut, brain surgeon Reminds me of the Bill Burr bit on Lance Armstrong[1] > The guy was a sociopath on a bicycle. As far as I'm concerned we got off easy. If that guy was working for a corporation he would have been pouring stuff in the water supply, doing god knows what. Just keep him on the bik…

Though on the matter of Lance Armstrong, well, tons of others, in the same races, did the same things.

Armstrong ruined the careers of his colleagues that didn't want to participate in his doping. He was the doping kingpin.

https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/29240335

Here's Lance chasing down another rider and publicly threatening them to "zip their lips" when they were trying to go public about the doping in the peloton.

Re: I always knew I was different, I didn't know I was a sociopath

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> I can imagine all the birds in the dinosaur times felt wrong because they weren't t-rexes. Well, that's what saved them in the end It's not about birds in dinosaur times though - as an analogy I mean. It's more about a particular bird being different from others of its species of bird. This could be an advantage to their life and acceptance (e.g. they might be too pretty or stronger) or usually a big detriment to t…

Additionally, being asexual is 'wrong' in a life / procreation sense. It's a kind of dead-end personality trait. (I'm specifically not saying 'wrong' for existing in society or having value to offer the world and, actually, if environmental factors make a difference to this sort of thing, then asexuality could well be increasingly common as a response to the state of the world vis-a-vis climate change and resource us…

The issue is asexuality isn’t used as a precise word. Some definitions are self-limiting in that way but not all.

I completely lack sexual attraction. That doesn’t mean I can’t have and enjoy sex for other reasons.

Sexual attraction isn’t necessary to desire children. And lack of it is not a hinderance if you don’t mind the process. ;)

Re: I always knew I was different, I didn't know I was a sociopath

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> The best fit in a healthy society, I think, is doing things that others can’t, like extreme sport type of stuff, or astronaut, brain surgeon Reminds me of the Bill Burr bit on Lance Armstrong[1] > The guy was a sociopath on a bicycle. As far as I'm concerned we got off easy. If that guy was working for a corporation he would have been pouring stuff in the water supply, doing god knows what. Just keep him on the bik…

He's hurting all the other players who do not dope, and hurting the sport in general by creating an incentive for most people to dope, tarnishing the reputation.

He doped because extreme endurance events pretty much demand doping.

Re: I always knew I was different, I didn't know I was a sociopath

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https://old.reddit.com/r/askpsychology/comments/jqewhk/does_... this person is lying, she doesn't have a PhD, she's using someone else's name

You've posted this a couple times here, but it's just unsubstantiated accusations on reddit. There are also several, equally unsubstantiated, claims to have found information that she is who she says she is.

That thread is very weird, it's really old and there are some users actively spinning different narratives across a long period of time.

Re: I always knew I was different, I didn't know I was a sociopath

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I agree. We really need pop-identity-politics to die. It's like a race to find the most obscure and irrelevant form of oppression made to distract us from actual oppression.

I am at the intersection of rarity and interesting! No you're not, I am! We all are ... unique snowflakes. Or at least snowflakes.

. . . or at least flakes.

Re: I always knew I was different, I didn't know I was a sociopath

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post #33

Super interesting. I can recognize this behavior with people playing multiplayer games. When there are no stakes, and everything is a game, people mess around – especially when they’re bored. If it’s just a game, who cares? People with extremely low “emotional reactivity” appear unlikely to share with others (why would they, most of us share stuff for empathy - and they may not see the point - or lose out socially).…

Not to conflate it with him not feeling fear though, here is a TV show episode with him talking about the subject, hard to timestamp but 14:10 for the busy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4OGs1DehzA

Re: I always knew I was different, I didn't know I was a sociopath

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> Wow, that doesn't jive with my personal experiences or what I've ever read about sociopathy. It sounds more like you're describing folks on the autism spectrum. The amount of undue hate that people on the spectrum get for being sociopaths or narcissist is awful. You are correct that they may misunderstand or "not get" social situations. You are incorrect in that they don't care / can't feel the emotion of a situati…

The amount of undue hate that people on the spectrum get for being sociopaths or narcissist is awful. You are correct that they may misunderstand or "not get" social situations. You are incorrect in that they don't care / can't feel the emotion of a situation. Often they are overwhelmed by this and it's what makes "dealing" (passing as NT) difficult. I absolutely agree. When I said the parent's post sounded more like…

> When I said the parent's post sounded more like they were describing autism

I have a feeling that the venn diagram between autism and the ASPD stuff is more than we realize. Same spectrum, just extreme dysfunction at polar ends.

> I strictly meant the part about struggling to understand social dynamics.

One thing that's been amazing for me (re: autism spectrum) is understanding the difference between "not seeing" the social dynamics and simply not feeling the same way the rest of society does... which is interpreted as "doesn't respect authority". To me it's stunning how groups completely lack any critical thinking. It's scary like falling asleep behind the wheel when driving, not a thing to be proud of and wear like a badge of honor.

This introspection makes it easier to (attempt to) comprehend how ASPD people don't feel empathy. I don't feel any respect for people in positions of power who do not treat their subordinates (or customers) with respect. If I see it, I respect them... if not... I don't. I can only guess how ASPD folks feel like "well if I can take advantage of this person I will. If I don't someone else will, so I deserve it because it will happen."

For me I think the issue is ASPD people do not see themselves as a problem, when they clearly are harmful to society. Somehow bringing them in line with the expectations of everybody else is a grave attack on their personal character. They are such effective manipulators that they can get away with it.

They are like drunk drivers with a pass to DUI and cause as much wreckage as they please, because the cops like them and they have fun whenever they pull this person over. The victim the drunk driver injured has to "deal with it" on their own both financially and emotionally. Any complaining from the person who suffered the consequences is just "playing the victim" when the drunk who caused the crash faces no consequences.

Why would this person ever change?

Re: I always knew I was different, I didn't know I was a sociopath

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Hypothetically if this was rephrased as "he was very rational and threatened other children to play with him and treat him like a friend" does that make sense to you?

Not really to be honest. Rational person would know that you can't force someone to like you. Forcing 'friendship' looks more like something an autistic would do.

I think you misread the comment you’re replying to -

> he was very rational and threatened other children to play with him and treat him like a friend

My emphasis. He’s not forcing people like him, because you’re right, you can’t force that, he’s coercing people into acting like they like him.

The point is that since he (supposedly) can’t feel the feeling himself, or can’t understand it, all he has to go off of is what he observes - i.e. the behavior - and you can absolutely force a behavior.

Re: I always knew I was different, I didn't know I was a sociopath

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Not really to be honest. Rational person would know that you can't force someone to like you. Forcing 'friendship' looks more like something an autistic would do.

I think you misread the comment you’re replying to - > he was very rational and threatened other children to play with him and treat him like a friend My emphasis. He’s not forcing people like him, because you’re right, you can’t force that, he’s coercing people into acting like they like him. The point is that since he (supposedly) can’t feel the feeling himself, or can’t understand it, all he has to go off of is wh…

No matter how you try to explain it, trying to force other kids to play with you is not a rational behavior. Rational behavior would be trying to find out why they don't want to play with you and try to do something about it. Would you say that if a girl doesn't want to date you then forcing her to date you is a rational behavior?
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