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would the same argument apply to Fox News? If not, why not?
No, it's owned & controlled by an American family (from Australia), has its headquarters in New York City and is not beholden to any foreign governments.
The reverse has occasionally been the case.
I think the primary argument for banning TikTok should be based on reciprocity rather than moral and/or security concerns. We can make similar arguments about the negative effects of Facebook, Instagram, and etc. even from the POVs of other countries, but the key issue here is that China heavily restricts foreign apps and services from operating in their market. If China is unwilling to allow US companies to compete…
I don't think we should "lowest common denominator" to oppressive regimes. Our Constitution says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." TikTok, at the end of the day, is just a kind of…
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>Hey remember when Apple, Google & Amazon all colluded to ban Parler off the face of the planet within days, a purely political move, I actually don't remember that. I do remember lots of terroristic and genocidal posts on Parler though.
It's easy to botspam a competitor with terroristic and genocidal posts if you only need a fig leaf to remove the platform - not a great precedent to align with. Also, didn't a spokesperson for Harvard recently say some calls for genocide were acceptable on their platform (campus) depending on context? Why aren't the anti-1st amendment types trying to ban Harvard? Edit: Not a rhetorical question for the downvoters.
>It's easy to botspam a competitor with terroristic and genocidal posts
I don't think it's necessary to employ conspiracy theory accessories when the stated moderation policy of the platform was "no moderation."
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Tiktok isn't "some website", it is partially owned and controlled by the CCP, which influences what content gets shown to Americans. A majority of zoomers get most of their news and information primarily from this platform, which again is under the influence of a hostile foreign government. (TikTok also spies on US citizens for the CCP, but let's keep this restricted to the free speech argument about the ban). We act…
If someone wants to subject themselves to CCP propaganda, why stop them? If they’re that lacking in critical thinking, then maybe they’re getting what they deserve. It’s not like anyone is forcing people to use TikTok.
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Yeah, we should only tolerate domestic propaganda outlets.
You jest, but personally I prefer democratic self-origin propaganda to foreign authoritarian state propaganda.
I think a lot of the HN crowd are beyond the target age for a lot of tiktok trends, and don't realize the extent of sociopathic behavior being enabled on tiktok. Even ignoring overtly political trends, the social contract is being shredded for money and clout. Tiktok is not just another social media platform. It is a mass digital propaganda machine controlled by a foreign government.
People who make statements like this sound just like "concerned parents" talking about D&D and rock and roll music. 30-40 years ago. Wildly out of touch. Seriously, go take a look at what others are actually sharing from TikTok. It's none of this Chinese propaganda nonsense people are ranting about. Here's a few examples of videos ruining the youth of today! * https://v.redd.it/8yktpgwzl4oc1 - Iron Maidens * https://…
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Or this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/ImTheMainCharacter/comments/1be3b75...
Randomly sexually harassing strangers for clout, what could go wrong.
This shit enabling sociopathic behavior happens 9 out of 10 times on tiktok and not other social media platforms.
I'm out of touch? You're literally old enough to have children who are the primary demographic of tiktok,your kids are only sharing you the cutesy videos. You have no clue, newsflash you millennials aren't hip anymore. Stop projecting.
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The funny thing is there's not really that much propaganda on TikTok, much less pro-CCP. Sure there's the potential, but it's really not even much of a thing IRL.
It doesnt have to be pro CCP. All they have to do is slightly boost anti US or anti Israel or anti Ukraine and it is the same thing. Slowly boiling the frog by boosting fringe voices and promoting them as common views.
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Yeah, we should only tolerate domestic propaganda outlets.
You jest, but personally I prefer democratic self-origin propaganda to foreign authoritarian state propaganda.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association#Rus...
I'm a big proponent of free speech and the first amendment, but I agree with the reasonings for banning it or forcing US owners. China most definitely has their hands in the data that TikTok amasses and given its popularity it's not an insignificant risk to U.S. citizens. We all know how easy it is to manipulate users... aka Cambridge Analytica. It'll be interesting to see what legal challenges come up if the bill pa…
If you truly believe in the principles of free speech, no matter how offensive and evil and cynically motivated, then the logical conclusion of that belief is that adversarial foreign governments have the right to propagandize in America and to Americans. If you abandon your principles the moment someone invokes the foreign menace then you don’t really have principles. People like to think of themselves as being pro-…
No, nobody truly believes that. Whoever is trying to sell that is trying to manipulate you. We have exceptions, provisions and considerable case law which adds a lot of *) to the first amendment. The 'principles' you're referring to have never actually been a thing outside of political emotional speeches and Republican rallies.
None of us have been alive when America was in a hot war to see exactly how far free speech stretches when actual lives are at stake. We're in a cold war right now and people should adjust their expectations. I'm not shedding any tears when a foreign corporation has its 'free speech' rights restricted. If it wants free speech it should move to the USA.
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People who make statements like this sound just like "concerned parents" talking about D&D and rock and roll music. 30-40 years ago. Wildly out of touch. Seriously, go take a look at what others are actually sharing from TikTok. It's none of this Chinese propaganda nonsense people are ranting about. Here's a few examples of videos ruining the youth of today! * https://v.redd.it/8yktpgwzl4oc1 - Iron Maidens * https://…
Okay, how about this? https://www.reddit.com/r/ImTheMainCharacter/comments/1bdopik... Or this? https://www.reddit.com/r/ImTheMainCharacter/comments/1be3b75... Randomly sexually harassing strangers for clout, what could go wrong. This shit enabling sociopathic behavior happens 9 out of 10 times on tiktok and not other social media platforms. I'm out of touch? You're literally old enough to have children who are the pr…