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Re: Linus Torvalds won't do github pull requests

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Post by grout »

jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #189
mindstab wrote: post #85

The man wrote git for use on the Linux kernel. Trying to argue with him about how to use git with respect to your tiny patch to the Linux kernel seems... like missing the point on a great many things. The rules for submitting kernel patches are laid out in great detail. Do you really thing arguing with the gatekeeper is going to change anything?

I think people are arguing for two reasons: 1.) Linus is being a bully. There's a difference between speaking your mind openly and using rhetorical force to invalidate contrary views. 2.) The kernel requirements can be whatever those who control the kernel demand. That's just common sense. Making the leap to declaring that only one text wrapping approach is objectively correct is delusional. If Linus simply said "The…

"using rhetorical force to invalidate contrary views"

Thank you for epitomizing what makes Linus worth emulating.

Rhetorical force. Coooool.

Re: Linus Torvalds won't do github pull requests

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Post by pimeys »

yena wrote: post #270
pimeys wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's kind of Finnish way of expressing things. We might say "jos sä teet tän näin, voisit vetää ittes hirteen" (if you do it like this, you might want to hang yourself) without actually meaning it literally. We have less PC compared to many other countries and I still find it refreshing while living outside of the country.

Although Linus is from Finland, he comes from the Swedish-speaking minority population there and his native language is Swedish. Sweden itself is pretty PC, but I don't know if that goes for the Finnish-Swedish as well, or if it is just Linux being Linus

My mother's husband is a Swedish speaking Finn and the cultures are quite the same. They are not Swedish people, they are Finns. The difference may be that they're a bit more international and also some studies say they enjoy life more than a typical Finn.

The whole country has two official languages, but Finnish-Swedish people use Sweden as their everyday language.

Re: Linus Torvalds won't do github pull requests

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Post by disusered »

nknight wrote: post #221
dblock wrote: post #160

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Well said. Matz is a perfect example of what Linus is not and can never be.

I don't have a lot of first-hand context for Matz's behavior, not being a Ruby developer, but it's entirely possible, even likely, that in the context of Japanese culture, Matz's niceness would not be seen as especially remarkable. Pitting one person's "niceness" against another when they are products of vastly different cultures is questionable at best. To most westerners, the average Japanese person is extremely po…

Speak for yourself, as a Westerner I find it horrifying. Not having tact doesn't make your point better, it just makes you a bullying jerk.

Re: Linus Torvalds won't do github pull requests

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Post by disusered »

bithive123 wrote: post #128
marcamillion wrote: post #68

I don't mean to be overly critical, but is it just me or are the 'godfathers' of computer science starting to sound like cranky old men? I mean....ok....this pull request being inferior to the way HE (the creator of Git) imagined it (or implemented it) is a bit petty imho. What's with the complaining? I am sure this is not the first time I have heard him complaining about something on Github or some other 'new techno…

It's all about context. To someone who only knows PHP the opinions of most polyglot programmers seem cruel and elitist. Put me in a room full of Moodle developers and everyone will come away thinking of me as "that cynical guy who is always trashing everything we do". Are people so averse to acknowledging the bounds of their own experience that they discount other views over a hint of emotion? Does every cantankerous…

Miguel de Icaza isn't exactly known for being nice, but even he defers to civility. Belive it or nor, respecting other people, even if they don't have your gigantic brains or knowledge, can go a long way in your social interactions and professional development. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2011/Feb-17.html

Re: Linus Torvalds won't do github pull requests

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Post by primatology »

natep wrote: post #216
primatology wrote: post #143

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> He's not saying "they're idiots for doing this". Well... "github is a total ghetto of crap" "make a real pull request, not the braindamaged crap that github does"

If I could downvote you, I would. Seeing quote mining that bad on HN makes me sad. Or your english comprehension isn't that good, which is fine if it's not your first language, but still sad if it's your first.

Please don't insult my English skills. I apologize for failing to copy/paste the last two words; it was an honest mistake, not an intentional misquote. Your rudeness is not appreciated nor warranted.

My point still stands. Calling GitHub a "ghetto of crap commit messages" blames the people who built a system to foster such crap commit messages.

Re: Linus Torvalds won't do github pull requests

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Post by primatology »

antrix wrote: post #158
primatology wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He's not saying "they're idiots for doing this". Well... "github is a total ghetto of crap" "make a real pull request, not the braindamaged crap that github does"

Full quote: "github is a total ghetto of crap commit messages and unreadable and unusable pull requests" Conveniently left out the part most salient to Linus' argument? Linus repeatedly stresses that he thinks Github is great as a hosting service. It is the pull/commit functionality which he finds lacking.

Yes, and he calls GH's pull/commit functionality "braindamaged crap." That's implying that "they're idiots for doing this."

I apologize for the misquote; again, that was unintentional.

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Post by onedognight »

dchest wrote: post #115
[deleted] wrote: post #113

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How is your email "supposedly private" if it's in a public git repository?

The email address you used to sign up for github (the one optionally kept private by github) and the email address in any commit messages are unrelated.

Re: Linus Torvalds won't do github pull requests

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Post by natep »

primatology wrote: post #285
natep wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I could downvote you, I would. Seeing quote mining that bad on HN makes me sad. Or your english comprehension isn't that good, which is fine if it's not your first language, but still sad if it's your first.

Please don't insult my English skills. I apologize for failing to copy/paste the last two words; it was an honest mistake, not an intentional misquote. Your rudeness is not appreciated nor warranted. My point still stands. Calling GitHub a "ghetto of crap commit messages" blames the people who built a system to foster such crap commit messages.

Well, I'm glad you only misunderstood Linus, rather than were trying to deliberately twist his words. He never implied anything about the github team, or the site as a whole. Maybe you missed this comment [1][2]

> .. because I think github does some things very well.

> So sure, you may think I hate github. I don't. I hate very specific parts of github that I think are done badly.

> But other parts are done really really well.

> I think github does a stellar job at the actual hosting part. I really do. There is no question in my mind that github is one of the absolute best places to host a project. It's fast, it's efficient, it works, and it's available to anybody.

> That's wonderful. I think github is absolutely lovely in many respects.

> And that then makes me really annoyed at the places where I think github does a subpar job: pull requests and committing changes using the web interface.

It seems obvious to me that he likes GitHub a lot, and thinks the team behind it are very capable, and not at all braindead. This doesn't preclude them from having a braindead feature. Or a feature responsible for crap commit messages. Or a feature that is both.

I apologize if you thought I was being rude. I was actually trying to not insult you, in case you were ESL. And I only went in that direction because I didn't want to believe you were trying to quote mine. [1] https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pull/17#issuecomment-56613...

[2] How fitting. Poor text wrapping support bites again. When I pasted the comment, it lost all line ending data, so I had to re-separate all the paragraphs (not sure if the fault is in GitHub, Win7 clipboard, FF, or HN).

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