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Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

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Post by PoignardAzur »

lupire wrote: post #110
ovi256 wrote: post #28

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> "At Daan Tech, we’ve always believed that a more sustainable and fairer world is possible.", you really have to be cynical to write something like this I tend to assume incompetence rather than malice. The marketing person that wrote that piece of copy never worried about the lifecycle waste analysis of the project they were working on, because they trusted the CEO/founder that hired them, who said it was gonna be…

Weaponized incompetence.

Yeah, I'm all for applying Hanlon's Razor, but in this case this seems like a clear case of "they had an incentive to say whatever made them look best and they sure followed it". "Weaponized incompetence" isn't a bad word for it.

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

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Post by pests »

willcipriano wrote: post #69
xg15 wrote: post #64

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> Each Bob cassette is returnable and reusable. Yes, in theory, which requires from you the effort of packaging it up, paying postage, plan time to go to the post office, etc - or you could just throw it in the trash for exactly the same visible effect and be done with it. Even if people want to mail them back, this sounds like exactly the kind of task that will perpetually stay on the "I'll look into that when I hav…

Even if they ship it back, i'd really doubt the environmental impact of shipping something halfway across the country is less than a few gallons of water per dishwasher load.

Eh, shipping is extremely cheap. Might want to double check those assumptions.

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

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Post by bardan »

xg15 wrote: post #64
beirut_bootleg wrote: post #29

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Permit me to disagree with about all of your conclusions here. First of all, the cassettes are returnable. This is also mentioned on their website. * https://daan.tech/discover-bob-cassette/ > Each Bob cassette is returnable and reusable. We refill them and put them back on the market. Close the loop, lower your carbon footprint. You're also NOT required to use the cassettes. You can just throw standard dishwasher ta…

> Each Bob cassette is returnable and reusable. Yes, in theory, which requires from you the effort of packaging it up, paying postage, plan time to go to the post office, etc - or you could just throw it in the trash for exactly the same visible effect and be done with it. Even if people want to mail them back, this sounds like exactly the kind of task that will perpetually stay on the "I'll look into that when I hav…

It would be nice if companies like this gave a significant benefit for returning cartridges, especially given the enormous markup on the detergent. 25 or even 50 percent off if you send your empty cartridges back. They would still extract the absurd full price from the lazy.

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

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Post by kurtoid »

hengistbury wrote: post #52
rob74 wrote: post #17

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If hacking cartridges becomes popular enough that it impacts their cartridge sales, they might put out a firmware update that does just that, but it looks like they went with the "lazy option" first?

Daan Tech broke their firmware update mechanism for lots of dishwashers in the field by losing their keys, more than once too. I own one such dishwasher and can't update the firmware without replacing the main board. They could certainly prevent cartridge resetting in newer dishwashers.

Where can I find more details about this?

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

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Post by ryanmcbride »

ssl-3 wrote: post #92
acomjean wrote: post #90

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Maybe seems like "cheating" to refill as it messes with the business model. My experiences are with Printers and ink. A studio I'm a member of inherited a big epson4880 printer. Its a big heavy machine, well built. It came with a "chip resetter" tool for refilling ink carts. The printer seems to know that its using non-epson inks (it warns me on the little display, and I have to click through) but it allows them (rig…

> Companies never seem to want offer more expensive products with cheaper use costs. Never? A regular dishwasher has the cost of production built completely into the purchase price, and it doesn't care what brand of detergent is used. It's the same with some printers, too -- including some Epson printers. Their EcoTank line is refillable: Need more magenta ink today? Just squirt some more magenta in. It doesn't have…

Dishwasher manufacturers may not officially care what brand of detergent you use but they do recommend a specific brand often in their service manual and I have to assume that some amount of money changed hands for that to happen.
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