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Re: Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 2024 [video]

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There are sound reasons why no substantial system in common use is coded in Smalltalk. Kay could have spent the decades since his time at PARC figuring out why, and remedying them. One of the reasons is that O-O is just one of several important ways discovered to organize software. Any big enough problem will have places for each. Specialization is for insects.

> There are sound reasons why no substantial system in common use is coded in Smalltalk.

Points in the direction of...

https://newspeaklanguage.org/

https://bracha.org/Site/Newspeak.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak_(programming_language...

Re: Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 2024 [video]

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Thanks, do you have any of it publicly available or would you prefer an email?

Not all is publicly available and most needs recompiling and explanation. I prefer email.

The email address in your profile is bouncing:

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Re: Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 2024 [video]

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Do you know anywhere where one can look into dynamicland more deeply? I've been interested in playing around with it for a while (hopefully I can get my hands on a projector lol) but have never found any details. Omar Rizwan's website had a cool post on geokit but that was all I managed to find.

Omar has a new project in the same vein as DynamicLand called Folk - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39241472

I found out about this a few months ago through Cristobal's blog: https://cristobal.space/. Somehow didn't notice how the post mentions Omar's involvement at the top lol. Thanks anyway tho.

Re: Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 2024 [video]

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Dealers of Lightning: Xerox PARC This follows Alan Kay (as well as dozens of others) through their groundbreaking research at Xerox's research lab in Palo Alto, primarily during the 70s. You will learn how these visionaries and personalities were largely at war with themselves, while HQ (2,000 miles away) largely ignored any of their marvelous outputs... until it was too late. ---- I just checked this morning, and wa…

PARC (at least the UI that came out of it) is replicable in terms of a new UI paradigm: The virtual headset is criminally underutilized. How much is computer interface restricted by the little window (even a 4k TV) we get as the view into the computer? The promise to me of a VR headset UI is having an arbitrary amount of real estate to display information (and not just 2D!) And here's the thing about a good VR UI: it…

I'm excited to see if Apple's entry into this market (with AVP) will encourage more OEMs to explore these emersive computing environments [as the iPhone did with smart phones].

>the modern view where literally every person's consumption is a step towards collective destruction.

This is just one POV. From a fiat capitalist POV, consumption is essential to prevent collective destruction... although I agree more with your POV.

Thanks for the great comment.

Re: Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 2024 [video]

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Not all is publicly available and most needs recompiling and explanation. I prefer email.

The email address in your profile is bouncing: [email redacted] host mx02.mail.icloud.com [17.42.251.62] SMTP error from remote mail server after pipelined end of data: 554 5.7.1 [CS01] Message rejected due to local policy. Please visit https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204137

you can try morphle73 at gmail dot com

This Apple mail server seems to reject your emails because it thinks its spam.

Re: Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 2024 [video]

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Sadly the work from the STEPS project seems to have disappeared, especially the Frank software he used in some talks. That looks like it would have been very interesting to play with.

> Sadly the work from the STEPS project seems to have disappeared Unfortunately that phrase -- steps project -- is effectively un-Googleable. Do you have a link at all please?

search/google "steps alan kay" or watch https://www.heidelberg-laureate-forum.org/video/lecture-putt...

Re: Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 2024 [video]

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There are sound reasons why no substantial system in common use is coded in Smalltalk. Kay could have spent the decades since his time at PARC figuring out why, and remedying them. One of the reasons is that O-O is just one of several important ways discovered to organize software. Any big enough problem will have places for each. Specialization is for insects.

The reason is called Java, and having all key Smalltalk vendors pivoting into Java. Smalltalk was the ".NET" of OS/2, and Visual Age for Smalltalk code browser still lives on Eclipse. Then there are those Objective-C and Ruby developers still around, heavily influenced from Smalltalk.

Is there a Smalltalk that runs on the JVM?
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