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Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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> Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway This title implies an order of events that is wrong. It exited the runway likely too fast, went down a small grass embankment, and only then did the [left] "Landing gear fail." See pictures here: https://avherald.com/h?article=515e3618&opt=0 The article's actual title is more helpful: > Boeing 737 Max 8 ran off Texas runway into grass This happens semi-r…

That website is very dangerous... Must not read before flying

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Accounts on twitter claiming to have been on the airplane recounted that the aircraft went off the runway first, and that the gear failure, if there was one, happened after the plane left the runway. "737 Max suffers landing gear failure" is a sexy headline but it may be prudent to wait for a bit more information before jumping to too many conclusions - just because Boeing is fresh in everyone's minds. Wild speculati…

John Oliver has a great segment on why Boeing planes are crap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oCilY4szc

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the lost tyre qualifies for a major malfunction, and the greenery excursion might well be pilot error. The engine fire I'm not sure about, it being a 21yo plane. Give the NTSB some time for proper reports...

People keep saying tire, but the whole wheel came off. Still likely maintenance/inspection related.

Best to find out if the wheel issue led to going off the runway or going off the runway led to the wheel issue.

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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All three of the incidents referenced in the lede were United Airlines flights, and to my uninformed eyes seem just as likely to be maintenance issues as manufacturing ones. Boeing is in the title because it understandably gets a lot of clicks lately, but in this case I wouldn't be surprised if these are a sign of bad maintenance on United planes.

If I recall correctly, United only flies Boeings, so any United issues will also appear as Boeing issues.

But these (so far) seem unrelated and would be unreported if it weren't for all the excitement around Boeings.

See this report about something similar but for Airbus, released by a notoriously harsh Airbus commentator: https://safetyfirst.airbus.com/landing-with-nosewheels-at-90...

;O

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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All three of the incidents referenced in the lede were United Airlines flights, and to my uninformed eyes seem just as likely to be maintenance issues as manufacturing ones. Boeing is in the title because it understandably gets a lot of clicks lately, but in this case I wouldn't be surprised if these are a sign of bad maintenance on United planes.

If Boeing releases maintenance guidelines for a framistat, United Airlines will work towards those numbers. UA wouldn't double Boeing's framistat-related downtime guidelines without a really good reason, and this might lead to bad results if Boeing is wrong. I'm not suggesting this wasn't UA's fault, I'm saying the nature of fault is complicated and currently unidentified.

Right, which is pretty much all I'm saying as well.

Because of how messed up Boeing is right now the initial reaction from casual observers is usually to blame Boeing, which may not actually be fair in this case.

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Accounts on twitter claiming to have been on the airplane recounted that the aircraft went off the runway first, and that the gear failure, if there was one, happened after the plane left the runway. "737 Max suffers landing gear failure" is a sexy headline but it may be prudent to wait for a bit more information before jumping to too many conclusions - just because Boeing is fresh in everyone's minds. Wild speculati…

John Oliver has a great segment on why Boeing planes are crap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oCilY4szc

If that's what you took from that segmwnt, you should watch it again.

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The plane seems like the pinto of planes, by the time Boeing works it all out they will have lost all trust.

Maybe, but this incident is not evidence of that. Landing gear collapse after a pilot runs off the runway and into the grass is a likely event.

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I don’t mean to give a free pass to Boeing’s ineptitude but it’s not like people are dying or even injured during these recent failures. Grounding them all permanently would be an overreaction.

Kind of Iceberg Effect. All these safety issues, might be 'minor'. What we can see. But having a big up-tick, and you wonder about the 'big-one' about to happen, that is still the submerged part of ice-berg.

I think the company culture itself should require approval. Producing safe planes or achieving a type rating is not sufficient evidence of that. A pilot can land perfectly a hundred times and still be dangerous if they are not behaving properly.

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Are the recent issues statistically significant or are people just paying more attention?

Statistically insignificant issues regarding flight don't really make the news. Keep in mind that your flat tire is a bummer, their flat tire could kill a thousand people.

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